**If Chris Daggett had won the battle of ideas he'd be governor. The rebates are a scam just like Steve Lonegan said. They need to be abolished altogether.

**Justices should be appointed who follow the constitution, not to address a single issue (despite the court's folly on education)

**Scrap COAH? Indeed. Sounds to me though like you just want to change it. No one has the right to buy a home let alone the right to live near where they work. Let the free market determine these things and stop the social engineering.

**Respect the voters? Ironic coming from 'The Torch.' The money from that BS open space measure has already been spent - down the drain on things like parking lots and astroturf fields. Too bad the voters made the mistake of voting for it.

**Oh, and let me add #11 to your list. Keep fighting corruption so that the likes of Bob Torricelli don't hold elected office.

Have a nice day!

Sen. Toricelli sounds almost conservative. I have to say that I agree with almost everything he said (I'm shocked). But where was he when Corzine was going in the opposite direction on all of these item...wasn't he still a big supporter?

Moving to Hunterdon County has certainly changed Bob Torricelli...is there a reason he is suddenly a "right-winger"?

Senator Torricelli has always been a fairly moderate Democrat. He sided with President Bush during the recount in Florida, supported the Bush tax cuts, and was one of the few Democrats that voted to approve John Ashcroft as AG, among other things. I remember following his record closely from 2000-2002. Senator Lautenberg was a drastic shift leftward in that seat.

Aren't you in jail? You certainly deserve to be. Go away, you crook!

I can't understand the idea that Terricelli has suddenly turned more conservative. Did you read this list?

"Place a cap on the ratio of residents to local employees, including police and fire personnel, for all cities under 50,000 people."

Right. Shackle smaller, more responsible and efficient local governments, but let the Urban Machine's pigs continue to feed, unfettered, at the trough. Suburban spending is not the problem we have in this state.

"Cease all water, sewer and road construction outside of areas designated for high growth. The state shouldn't subsidize suburban sprawl and should recognize that these expenditures only drive up taxes by necessitating more schools and more local services."

In other words, make it even easier to divert the vast majority of taxes collected from suburbanites to the party bosses in the cities. Perhaps the state shouldn't subsidize urban sprawl, but as long as it's everyone for themselves, let's immediately end Abbott funding and other financial black holes. Let's be clear: Union pensions and Abbott funding are the two primary reasons for New Jersey's unconscionable property taxes, not fixing potholes in Warren County and building the occasional school in Morris.

And, finally, this gem:
"Respect the voters. They decided to approve the $400M bond issue for open space."

They only approved it because they didn't understand it, and the language was purposely confusing because the Urban Democratic Machine wanted that money. It isn't about Open Space. It is about sending more money to the cities to build the occasional playground, line their pockets, and pay for their other pork projects that only occur in the most densely populated areas.

Numbers five and seven are just what I had in mind for the new administration. Corzine has not produced, given his talent and experience. Chris Christie projects energy and has a proven record coming in. His admonition to public employee labor unions is right on the money, too. Let's see this state phase out the defined benefit retirement plans and Cadillac health care. Let's install tort reform beyond the auto liability reforms we've made already, and extend it to health care. High jury awards and settlements drive up premiums. A simple rider on a policy allowing an insured to opt out of being able to sue providers will go a long way to cutting costs

Bob Torricelli's list is not liberal, conservative or a refutation of either. I believe it's common sense, pragmatic and also forward thinking.

When it comes to conserving taxpayer dollars, it's interesting how "conservative" Boxcutter thrashes "urban machine pigs" (shame on such language!) for taxpayer spending sprees (I agree with him), but then he complains that Torricelli's proposed cap on local out-of-control spending would "shackle smaller, more responsible and efficient local governments" (that's his non-objective description for suburban governments more likely to be Republican).

Taxpayer money wasted is taxpayer money wasted. Bob's push to bring local irresponsible spending under control (c'mon Boxcutter, call it what it is!) by incentivizing "collective home rule" is brilliant.

DennisJaffe, you see the Torch as a pragmatist, I see him as a snake and an outlaw. On paper, his proposals aren't all bad, but because we know what Bob Torricelli is, we have some insight into what motivates him and his points of view.

Note that Torricelli's cap on local, out-of-control spending is limited to cities of 50,000 or less - in other words, the suburbs. Why? Most suburbs, who do not benefit from endless state subsidies, have historically shown restraint intheior spending, usually bcause they have to.

By contrast, it is the municipalities with more than 50,000 residents - our cities (Democratics strongholds), in all but a few cases - that have been most likely to spend like drunken sailors in port. In why not? In the extreme case, Newark provides only about 5 percent of its operating budget. The rest comes from the state - from tax money supplied by suburban taxpayers.

How about capping spening in these wasteful and corrupt districts, and let the Wyckoffs and Montgomerys of the state - responsible local governments - continue the successful measures they have used? Me calling these districts "more responsible and efficient" is not so much "non-objective" as it is based in fact.

If Torricelli was brilliant (and ethical), he'd still be in the Senate.

I'm not quite what you think: I detest suburban sprawl (though suppport the right to allow it), and would love to see New Jersey's cities become more vibrant and viable once again. Personally, I see much more appeal to living in Hudson County as opposed to Warren (and I've lived in both), and would rather be horsewhipped than to be identified as a Republican.

But let's be real about the Torch, can we?

Wow, Bob Torricelli and Carla Katz are now giving advice to the Governor elect. What is wrong with this picture?

The Torch should go back to Lambertville and apologize for his behavior and have his ego removed.

Then he can become Carla eunuch!

Carla Katz and Bob Torricelli, perfect together. Oh brother.

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The arrogance of The Torch is amazing! Who is he to be giving advice to our new (thank God he won) Governor. The Torch represents all that is wrong with New Jersey politics and should just shut up and live quietly out there in Hunterdon County.

While, amazingly I agree with most of what he has to say I don't think he should be saying anything publically. He was a disgrace.

But #10 is particularly offensive coming from The Torch. Respecting the voters is something he surely never did so who the hell is he to tell Chris Christie to do so.

I also believe that Chris Christie will respect the voters. I think it's just the way he operates. He doesn't need some fallen, sad excuse for a former trough feeder to tell him so.

got into you, Bob? You sound thoughtful, insightful, rational, almost statesmanlike. In fact, your posting is, dare I say it?, brilliant. CARLA--see? This is how you could post if only you had some intelligence and critical thinking skills, instead of just being a Peter Principled ambitious, extorting wannabe.

One thing, Bob. I don't much care for this statement..."Contractual obligations make cutting pensions impossible.." Not true. That's the myth public sector unions want us to believe. Only accrued benefits can't be changed. The portion of any benefit negotiated from Date X forward can certainly be change with very substantial financial benefit. Let's get some actuaries and accountants developing a rational benefits and pay package, negotiate it into place and got on with saving New Jersey. We have a very significant negotiating position with these abusive public sector unions. Taxpayers can NOT afford to continue the largesse of decades past. We need to move into the 21st century, the way the rest of the world has.

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Who could challenge Christie and defeat him if he wasn't so hated by people in his own party.

Torricelli is a brilliant political strategist who understands the pulse of the state as he seems to drift further and further to the right the longer he lives in NJ and not in DC...

He could have been president.

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Everybody needs to start a new job with a list of priorities and Chris Christie is no exception. There might be a thousand things that need to get done but a limited number that can be achieved. He needs to get up every morning, read the list, and raise hell until the list is complete. When it's done, write a new list. Here's a start:

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I don't always agree with Torricelli, but the list is good. We need to have some responsible leadership somewhere. Now we just have to watch Christie's appointments. Will they be rewards to friends and supporters or real placements based on thought and intelligent.

But let's be real about the Torch, can we

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