Excerpts from an interview between legendary Jersey City political insider Paul Byrne and New Jersey Network senior political correspondent Michael Aron on NJN's On the Record, aired on Sunday, June 15, 2003. Byrne had been indicted on charges that was the bagman for Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski, who later went to jail for accepting bribes. He later pleaded guilty to tax evasion and extortion charges and faced 30 to 37 months in a federal prison. Byrne died in May, 2005 at age 59, just days before a federal judge was set to sentence him.
"There are two things that all men want to keep during the course of their lives: those are their sport jackets and their best friends. I'm now reduced to just my sport jackets. I'm very upset about what's happened to him, but it was foreseeable."
"Practically five years ago he started losing interest in the government itself. But when we came to the period that everyone in New Jersey calls the Twelve Days of Torricelli, and he was on the losing end, he just gave up. He didn't want to be in public office anymore and he started drinking heavily."
"I didn't know there was $100,00 in his file cabinet. Sadder than that, during the period when he had the $100,000 in his filing cabinet, both his children were in distress and trouble and on welfare and he didn't help them."
"We started during the '77 period. Thomas F.X. Smith was expected to become the Mayor [of Jersey City] and we expected to win on the first round ballot. So what I did was convince Mayor Smith to put Janiszewski on the ballot as an Assembly candidate because we needed a bright Polish guy to fill out the ticket. That's normal in urban politics. So that's how he became an Assemblyman. But he became a star real quick. He became an outstanding legislator while in the New Jersey Assembly. I think he was named legislator of the year at one time."
"During the entire period of our association and friendship -- and I admit I was his best friend his entire life -- he was great at public policy. He was great at the politics of it, but had the other side to him and the other side was the dark side. I spent most of my career, aside from advising him, cleaning up after him. I felt like the guy with the big broom behind the two elephants. I include [Janiszewski's wife] Beth in that too. So essentially I would be helping to eliminate the problems that would in any way affect his public personality."
"He only had two people on his staff he could count on. His executive secretary, Janet Lauro, who's still on the county [payroll] and she was essentially his younger sister and she tried to keep him from falling off the edge."
"He should have quit, and we talked about it many times. He would tell me 'I don't want to do this anymore.'"
"Hudson is no different than any other county in the state. I was amused by his public comment about the brazen bribers. Picture this, if you will: the county courthouse in Hudson County. Brazen bribers arrive at the county building. They knock down the front door. They evade the Sheriff's officers. The break into the County Exec's [office]. They disarm his personal security, and they throw him up against the wall and stuff his pockets with $100 bills. That's not real."
"You have to understand that both he and Beth controlled the entire operation. So when he didn't want to participate, Beth would become the CEO and all the directors would report to her. She would decide what was going on."
"If you recall the Los Angeles Convention -- he called me up and was on the verge of tears and said 'nobody wants to talk to me, even Ray Lesniak.'"
"He didn't even fight. He was totally for [James E.] McGreevey until [Robert] Torricelli made it known that he had an interest in running [for Governor]. And by the way, I supported that. Torricelli walks on water. When it came time to fight for the nomination, he and Beth went off sailing in Key West. We couldn't get him. The didn't even recharge the battery. It was like 'OK, we're going to do this, but it's not going to work anyhow.'"
"The joke in Hudson County is he had all this money in his file cabinet but he never picked up the tab in his life. If you went to dinner with Bob -- and I still care about him even though it's a weird relationship -- but if you went out to dinner with him there was no chance you were going to see his credit card. None. None whatsoever."
"You can't do this stuff by yourself. You need helpers. You can't have any CEO put themselves in a position where they're going to be able to accept bribes."
"This incident in Hudson itself has to deal with Bobby Janiszewski, not the county itself. It depends who's the boss, who's in charge."
"I was upset that I spent my entire life with him and he would just throw my name in the hopper. Everybody's part of the food chain. He's following in the footsteps of [convicted ex-State Sen.] David Friedland."
"I'm one of his closest friends and advisors, but when I talk about helpers, I'm talking about the structure of the government. No County Executive or leader can do anything unless he has people in place that will follow his lead without him having to issue an order."
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