Fighting the description out there that he's a centrist in wolf's clothing, GOP gubernatorial candidate Christopher Christie challenged the essence of his chief rival's campaign today as he suggested that Steven Lonegan, leader of New Jersey's conservative moment, is running plays out of the Democratic Party playbook.
"I'm the only one proposing to cut taxes," Christie told reporters in a teleconference call. "He (Lonegan) admitted this week to the Philadelphia Inquirer that his plan would raise taxes 70% and 75% on senior citizens. His plan is foolish and bizarre. It's not a conservative idea. It's the kind of idea you would normally hear from Democrats.
"The only thing conservative about him is he says he's conservative," Christie said of Lonegan.
Lonegan campaign strategist Rick Shaftan took Christie’s comments as a sign that the presumptive frontrunner is now forced to fight on Lonegan’s terms.
“If we’re going to have a debate between who’s the real conservative that’s good for us,” Shaftan said “We’re happy to meet them on our turf. They’re reacting to everything we say now.”
In his teleconference call, Christie excoriated Gov. Jon Corzine for failing to put the state on sound financial footing and, in his words, misleading the public about a $2 billion revenue shortfall by putting out "rosy projections" and failing to bring a businessman's mindset to the state's financial trouble.
The former U.S. Attorney has also secured the endorsement of U.S. Rep. Christopher Smith (R-Hamilton), who is highly regarded by pro-life voters.
Garden State Equality fires new broadside at Dems Smarting over the state Senate's refusal to pass marriage equality and disillusioned at the moment with the Democratic Party majority, Garden State Equality’s 85-member Board of Directors unanimously decided against giving financial contributions to political parties and their affiliated committees. ...
“We will work harder and smarter to protect consumers, to preserve civil rights, to effectively regulate the alcoholic beverage industry, to ensure that the integrity of New Jersey’s casino gaming industry continues, to keep drives, passengers and pedestrians safe on our streets, to assist victims of crimes, and to remember always the importance of juvenile justice on issues affecting the state." -- Attorney General-designate Paula Dow, at her Senate confirmation hearing.
- PolitickerNJ.com, 02/08/10Press releases are submitted by PolitickerNJ users, not by staff. They do not represent the viewpoint of PolitickerNJ.com.
Lonegan came to my town and
Lonegan came to my town and gave a clear response to the flat tax and how it raise taxes on about 50% of taxpayers and the reasons behind it.
-Number one - the high wage earners are leaving NJ to go to PA there their flat tax is 3.07%. If you raise taxes the high wage earners will leave raising the tax burden for those that are left. How many people do you know that have moved to PA, DE, NC, etc.? They are now paying no NJ taxes at all.
-Number two - Everyone will have a stake in government spending. If spending goes up it affects seniors and low wage earners as well. people cannot just say "it is not my money" because they will pay the flat tax rate. As the President says, we are all in this together.
-Number three - The seniors who get their property tax rebate should get a note with their check that tells them the truth about the check: "this money is borrowed at 6% interest and future generations will have to pay it back." He believes most seniors agree with this when it is explained truthfully.
wow
What no quotes from Lonegan Max?
You guys have had no problem seemingly getting his word in everything..and his stories are all over this site. Every other day I get a lonegan email with a politicker article in it, they love your coverage of him.
Keep up the good work!
Chris Christie is a conservative
Steve Looneygan is a wingnut. All wingnuts are conservative, but not all conservatives are wingnuts.
The CliffordCase Drinking Game
Every time he uses the word “Looneygan” or “wingnut” – take a drink
Every time he is a concern troll for Christie – take a drink
Every time he uses the word “unelectable” – take a drink
Every time he posts during the normal work day – take a drink
Every time he admits he’s voting for Corzine – take two drinks
Every time he says “Consistently Conservative Chris Christie” – finish your beer
Every time he gives his prediction for the governor’s race – waterfall until the end of the post
Bottoms up!
Christie Is Talking Nonsense!
You did it again, Christie! Come on, you can't fool New Jersey Republicans! The truth is, that Steve Lonegan is the only one proposing to cut taxes. Christie only talks about cutting taxes. Talk is cheap!
More nonsense---Christie's campaign, in a radio ad, is asking supporters of Lonegan to join their campaign, because they think their candidate is the only one that can beat Corzine. That is a commendable invitation, if Christie wins the New Jersey Republican Primary. That
pre-primary invitation makes it sound like Lonegan's opponent, doesn't believe he could beat Steve Lonegan in the New Jersey Republican Primary for Governor.
Those who support Steve Lonegan, should not be suckered into joining Christie's campaign, now. If you support Lonegan, continue to support him, and stay with his campaign. Chris Christie thinks he's the only conservative running for Governor of New Jersey. He knows that's not true! Christie is talking nonsense!
Chris Christie was just a salaried government worker.
Did Christie make a budget for his department? Did he actually try to reduce it? Has he reduced his staff? Has he requested more hours for the same pay from his staff? Did he ask to have his budget increased every year? Yes, no, no, no and yes.
What is conservative about that? Nothing!
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
Where's the plan?
While we are all vetting Lonegan's tax plan,let's not lose sight of the fact that there is no Christie tax plan to vet.
"Every time he uses the word
"Every time he uses the word “unelectable” – take a drink"
You've confused me with someone else.
If Chris Christie is the conservative, then
then Steve Lonegan must be the "fat" guy in the race.
Chris is imploding, big time!
Lonegan 54% - Christie 45%
Vote Column "A" - All the way!
laugh a minute
Dems....
A. Steve Lonegan is a fat guy
B. He has a putting green glued to his oversized head
C. He is unelectable.
CliffordCase - some
CliffordCase - some conservatives are wing nuts, just like some lefties are wing nuts. I had a lefty friend, for example, rant about how wonderful Montclair is, because it's "activist" and "communist." And he was serious. I'd fight and die not to be communist - and I'm serious. So, that's a lefty wingnut.
Spin Spin Spin
Is obama conservative too?
Seriously
Do you still not believe the amount of GOP that are not going to vote for a ego maniac like Lonegan? People know he is so desperate and many of the folk we know are squarely in Christies corner now and it is growing.
Seriously, you think soft dems and indies will flock to him??
Too bad because even if he wins in June, Corzine wins in November because lonegan is the wrong man for the job - so what will he run for next after Gov?? Senate?? lol
People earning under $20,000
People earning under $20,000 a year should not be paying any state income taxes at all. These are part time workers, summer workers, seniors earning some spending money and so on. It's not worth the trouble to make them fill out the forms.
Plus the main competition for these workers is illegal aliens, the kind that Lonegan hired to work in his garage, the kind that pay no taxes at all.
Instead of doubling income tax rates on those earing less than $20,000 -- it would be a far better idea to just eliminate income taxes on those earning under $20,000 per year.
Steve Lonegan should release his income tax returns. What is he hiding? Put up or shut up. Release your income tax returns or shut up about your ridiculous plan to double tax rates on seniors earning under $20,000 per year.
Wrong--If everybody can vote, everybody should pay taxes!
Seth Grossman, www.libertyandprosperity.org
Otherwise you would end up with people voting for candidates who promise to give them free stuff from the government that they don't have to pay for. If you end up with lots of people voting for candidates who promise free stuff they don't have to work for, and lots of people getting what they work for taken away by high taxes, then more and more people will be voting for more free stuff,and fewer and fewer people will be working to pay taxes. And many people will move to Pennsylvania, which has a 3.07% flat income tax. (New Jersey's income tax goes to 3.5% at $35,000, 5.525% at $40,000, and 6.37% at $75,000, and 8.97% at $500,000, and Jon Corzine doesn't think this is high enough).
this is one of the funniest things I have seen thus far
Chirs Christie is a CONSERVATIVE! LOLOLOLOL
Okay, now that I have had my laugh for the evening. Once again some facts that the left simply cannot argue, because they are facts.
Christie is Doug Forrester, Bob Franks, and Dick Zimmer for the third time, and Tom Kean Jr for the second time. He has about as much chance of being governor as this list, ZERO!
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and thinking you will get a different result. Chris Christie is that same thing, Steve Lonegan is not, and for many thousands of voters, this simple fact is enough.
The conservatives in this state are about four weeks from taking OUR PARTY back from the leftists who destroyed it. All we have seen is new REPUBLICANISM FAIL locally, statewide, and nationally. But Conservatism works every time it is tried, and it is going to work once again.
You liberal GOP invaders from the left have about four weeks left before you are all out on your you know what. Your state jobs and easy elected positions will soon be history. Many of us know abject panic when we see it, and we are seeing it now.
Seth's Civics Lesson
Seth, it's "no taxation without representation" not "no representation without taxation". You are so in love with Lonegan that you are getting the founding father's freedom cry ass backwards.
If you are so dead set on people not getting "free stuff from the government", then why are you not for making motorists pay market rates for using the NJ toll roads.
Corzine is actually making more sense than Lonegan on these two issues. If it was up to me I's sell the Expressway, Parkway and Turnpike to the highest bidders and use the proceeds to reduce income tax rates on all of us by at least 1.4%, which would eliminate the lowest income tax bracket and end the income tax for those earning less than $20,000 per year.
State income taxes are a bad idea in general, the solution is not to increase income tax rates, on low earners it is to decrease tax rates for all of us and eliminate the income tax altogether on as many of us as possible.
If you really want to increase income tax rates, at least let the Democrats do it.
What a liar and coward!
Today, we have now heard the real Chris "WHOPPER" Christie, just another "say anything" politican. I guess in his mind he is great. Thank God, in the minds of real conservatives, we see just how shallow the man is. God save these United States and New Jersey from pseudo-conservatives, they are just one step above democrats.
"The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything."
--Theodore Roosevelt--
If Chris Christie is conservative
how come is is scared to death to mention 2nd amendment issues ?
He still refuses to allow real Americans in NJ CCW permits or allow the Castle Doctrine.
Chris Christie is NO MORE CONSERVATIVE than THAT CLIFFORD NUT CASE ALAN MARCUS
Sell the toll roads? You must be nuts!
Seth Grossman, www.libertyandprosperity.org
Why would you sell something you already own, so that you then have to pay rent to use something you now use for free? When I went to college in North Carolina in the 1960's, I paid tolls when I used the Richmond-Petersburg Turnpike, which is now part of I-95 in Virginia. The tolls paid back the money used to build the roads. When the money was paid back after 20 years, the taxpayers owned the road, and the tolls stopped. In the 1950's, the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Parkway were built with borrowed money. Twenty years later, that money should have been paid back and the tolls should have been eliminated then. If they did that, there would have been no need to borrow even more money to install the EZ Pass system. You Christie people think like Corzine people.
At his Town Hall meetings in early 2008, Jon Corzine said we can pay off state debt and lower state taxes by selling the toll roads. What did he leave out of the equation? The people who pay money to buy the toll roads are going to want something in return. In fact they are going to want to make a big profit on their money. How would they do that? They would jack up tolls by 800% just to give them a return on their purchase price, and of course they would get cost of living toll hikes to repair, clean, and patrol the roads. Only Corzine's Wall Street Democrats and Christie's Wall Street Republicans would think you cut taxes by selling assets that you still need, and then renting them back from the person you just sold them to. If you had trouble paying your home mortgage, would you sell your bathroom to someone who would make you back by installing pay toilets, and charting you $5 every time you took a crap in your own home? Would you be in better financial shape if you paid less on your monthly mortgage, but a lot more on fees to use what used to be your own toilet? Only Corzine's Wall Street Democrats and Christie's Wall Street Republicans would think so.
And now that Christie is a conservative, is he "unelectable"?
Seth Grossman, www.libertyandprosperity.org
When Lonegan said he was a conservative, Christie's people said this was proof he was unelectable in New Jersey. Now that Christie claims he is a conservative, is he also unelectable? Didn't Christie just put himself in the same boat as so many "practical" Republicans lately? Conservatives don't trust him because everyone knows Christie didn't dare call himself a conservative until Lonegan caught him in the polls. For a real laugh, look at Christie's December interview in New Jersey Network's Sunday interview show. And now liberals don't trust him because they now know all the moderate stuff Christie said he believed in before means nothing if Christie thinks he can pick up a few more votes being a conservative.
Lonegan admits to want to raise taxes on the Seniors?
Raise taxes on seniors so we won't be able to even buy dog food? OK, we'll move.
What's next, getting rid of social security?
Yes, we need Steve Lonegan, we'll keep the rich people, have the seniors and middle class flee, and bring in the illegals who don't pay taxes to provide services for the rich.
Fair and balanced!
Seth "Free Stuff from the Government" Grossman
There you have it folks.
Seth, wants to extend and raise income taxes so that motorists can get free stuff "highway serivices" from the government.
He wants to keep the Leviathan governement and even expand it. A pure true limited government guy would realize that government pretty much screws up everything and has no business running toll roads. That is why ultra-liberal Loretta Weinberg and ultra-big government fascist Steve Lonegan wanted the state to continue running the toll roads.
Seth, it may have excaped you, but the toll roads cost money to maintain. I very much doubt that the tolls cover the maintenance cost.
Tax pollution not income, Seth. A poor working stiff making $40,000 grand without hurting anybody should not be paying for Seth Grossman to travel the AC Expressway.
As far as I know Christie has no plan to increase the tolls or downsize government by selling the toll roads; however, at least he does not, unlike Lonegan, have a plan to extend and increase the most discusting tax of all, the income tax.
Seth"I should be disbarred" Grossman
Classic short mans' syndrome. You love to twist and/or have ZERO regard for details. People said EX Mayor Lonegan was UNELECTABLE because his foolish proposals which had ZERO chance of becoming reality---not because he was conservative. People said EX Mayor Lonegan was UNELECTABLE because he and his flunkies have consistently run campaigns which distort facts about his opponents and anyone who endorses them. Yet, outside of Bogota, he has NEVER won an election. That makes him UNLIKEABLE & UNELECTABLE. And it makes you Seth Grossman, along with Shaftan, LaRossa and Paul Mulshine dishonest and detestable. The politics of "do anything--say anything" to win has failed before and it will fail now. The politics of attempting to ruin opponents lives and reputations to further your own agenda has failed before and it will fail now. Unlike Shaftan, LaRossa and Mulshine---you Seth are an attorney who should know when not to cross a slanderous, libelous line. You better get paid a lot of money for broadcasting out of that trailer----after the NJ Bar fields the complaints coming at you, that will be your lone source of income.
Another threat from GoRed
What's slanderous Toddie? Stop the personal attacks and show some specifics.
It's gored.....
Toddie????? Swing and a miss King of all Distortions and Lies. My you are obsessed with someone.....not healthy. Worry about the facts in the B.S. Propaganda piece you pawn off as a newspaper. One question Rick---will you have that cool Strom Thurmand shirt on at the big Joe the Plumber event? I'd pay $50 just to see that.
Raising taxes on 75% of seniors and 70% of all New Jerseyans is not a good idea in a recession King of all Distortions & Lies. And your stratedgy of win now and deal with the legal stuff later won't wash this time. Enjoy the German Sausage
"Doug Forrester, Bob Franks,
"Doug Forrester, Bob Franks, and Dick Zimmer for the third time, and Tom Kean Jr"
These are all fine gentlemen, proven winners, and traditional conservatives. Doug Forrester, with no establishment support, got more votes in 2005 than Looneygan and Schundloser combined. Bobby Franks was elected several times to the US Congress and came within only a few votes of beating Corzine in 2000 despite being outspent ten-to-one. Dick Zimmer was also elected to Congress many times, and last year despite no money and only a few weeks to campaign easily defeated the ultra-conservative Jersey Joe and wingnut Maverick Murray. Tom Kean Jr. has won every election except one, which was due to the anti-GOP, anti-Bush backlash in 2006.
Chris Christie should be proud to be associated with the likes of these class acts and political statesmen. The GOP needs more, not less, of leaders such as these.
Will a 2.9% tax on income force seniors to eat dog food?
Seth Grossman, www.libertyandprosperity.org
How do seniors in Pennsylvania manage with a 3.07% flat tax on income? Of course, if seniors have to pay taxes in NJ at the same rate as everyone else, they may have to give up a few casino trips. But they will save most of that money by not having to travel to North Carolina to visit their grandchildren--or have their grown children move back home with them. And maybe seniors will be a little more careful who they vote for, if they actually had to pay for some of the "free" stuff they demand from our politicians. And as far as money to maintain roads that are already paid for, isn't that what the gasoline tax is for?
The longer term Lonegan plan
The longer term Lonegan plan is to reduce several government agencies in order to reduce the flat income tax and reduce the sales tax. He discusses how NJ had no income or sales tax in the early 1960's and he wants to move back towards that system when NJ was one of top places to start a business in the US.
Of course now we have some so-called Republicans joining the ACORN community organizers in trying to scare seniors. Lonegan wants the seniors to vote on the proerty tax rebates. He believes, once they see the money is borrowed and their grandchildren will have to pay it back with interest, they won't want it and will vote it down.
If anyone wants to know about this just go see Lonegan for yourself and don't listen to some of the screwballs on here. Unlike the other candidate, he goes from town to town talking to people directly. I live in a small seashore town and he has already been here twice. He is more accessible than the Mayor.
Sure Sure
He want to raise income tax rates now, so he can reduce the size of government. 1984 speak. Lonegan, Shaftan speak.
Next time he visits your little shore community ask him to release his income tax returns and his campaign donors names. Then you will find out he has something to hide and can't be trusted with his Orwellian plan to raise income tax rates in order to reduce the size of government.
Clueless Cliffy
"Doug Forrester, with no establishment support..." - Cliff
Cliff, how can anyone in their right mind claim that Forrester had no establishment support? He was the favorite of almost every established committee in this state. That's an utterly ridiculous statement that you made.
"We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work!"
- FDR's Treasure Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, in 1939, on 8 years of New Deal spending as an attempt to end the Great Depression.
Christie is a slightly center-right moderate
So was McCain. When moderates attempt to veer right in a primary, they tend to make a spectacle of themselves in the general election. Equally so, when conservatives attempt to cast themselves as moderates in a general election, they appear compromised and indecisive.
In the end, it's better to be who you are, not who you think people want you to be.
PadrePeon tax returns
PadrePeon, please post your tax returns. I want to see how much you pay in taxes.
If you think a candidate violated election laws you can file a complaint with ELEC.
RussOCNJ
Sure I will post them when I run for governor. Until then MYOFB. I'm not asking for your vote or to trust me with power of the governor's office.
Any time Lonegan mentions the word "transparency" he is a hypocrite.
I never said that Lonegan violated election laws. But if that is your pathetic low bar standard -- then by all means vote for the hypocrite. And if Lonegan did violate the law ELEC would not enforce it, judging by the patently ridiculous conclusion the came up with that he did not participate in Americans for Prospoerity.
I am glad Christie is not hiding the names of his donors. When Christie talks about transparency, the fact that he released his tax returns and all the names of his campaign donors means that he walks the walk, while Lonegan is full of crap.
CHRISTIE A CONSERVATIVE?
The New Jersey Law Journal is reporting that Justice Department documents made public through a lawsuit show that former U.S. Attorney for New Jersey gave approval to track people's precise whereabouts through their cell phones as tracking devices without a warrant. Conservatives adhere to the oath they swore to uphold the Constitution for the united states of America and the New Jersey Constitution. Has Christie not hear of the Fourth Amendmednt to the USA Constitution? Has Christie not hear of Article I Paragraph 7 of the New Jersey Constitution? Although Article I Paragraph 7 wording is almost exactly the same as the USA Constitution, New Jersey case law does not allow good faith exceptions to violations against "unreasonable searches and seizures". Both the Fourth Amendment and Article I Paragraph 7 require a "warrant" and "probable cause, suported by oath or affirmation". What part of his oath to uphold these Constitutions does Christie not understand? True conservatives understand the Constitutions they operate under. True Conservatives understand ther oath. Christie a conservative, I don't think so.
SAD
العاب هانا مونتانا - العاب سيارات - العاب دراجات -
العاب دزني - العاب اولاد جديدة -
العاب تلبيس اولاد وبنات - لعبه زمن الحروب -
العاب الحيوانات - لعبة مستر بين -
العاب سونيك - العاب طبخ حقيقية - العاب دراجات هوائية -
ملكة جمال العالم - العاب تلبيس رجال -
لعبه مونوبولي العربيه - العاب اذكياء -
قصص حب - كتب عربيه - ساركو -
شرح لتعليم طريقه لعب البلياردو - طريقه التسجيل في لعبه البلياردو -
شرح طريقه لعب البلياردو - كيف العب البلياردو مع الاخرين- تفسير احلام -
العاب بنات ساركو - يوتيوب فيديو - طيور الجنه -
دليل مواقع - مدونه - دليل -
العاب ميكي ماوس - العاب نقار الخشب - العاب سبيس تون - تلبيس هانا مونتانا -
العاب طبخ جديدة - العاب تلوين سندريلا -
العاب تلوين ستروبري - العاب جدول الضرب - العاب تلبيس فقط -
لعبة بلياردو للمحترفين - كحلي - العاب تلوين سيارات -
العاب الطبخ الجديدة -
العاب باباي - العاب بور رينجرز - العاب تفحيط سيارات -
العاب سيارات كبيرة - موقع تحميل برامج -
مواقع بلياردو - العاب تلبيس رجال -
العاب اذكياء - طيور الجنة - الوسيط للوظائف -
ديكورات منزليه - قصص اغتصاب - واجهات منازل -
اربعه بلوت - مقدمة للاذاعة المدرسية - كتب عربيه - موقع ساركو -
شرح لتعليم طريقه لعب البلياردو - طريقه التسجيل في لعبه البلياردو -
تفسير الاحلام -
بلياردز
Fugitives and Violent Fellons
OK, so now the Lonegan camp not only wants to hike income tax rates instead of having across the board reductions in income, they are also against lawful court permitted attempts to track fugitives and violent fellons.
If you think Christie and the Court who gave permission to track the fugitives and violent fellons broke the law, then you are under an obligation to report it. Other wise stop passing gas and ask Lonegan to release his tax returns and campaign donors in the name of honesty and transparency.
VIOLATION OF OATH
You are trying to change the subject. The question is: Did Christie violate his oath of office by engaging in warrentless GPS tracking of Citizens of New Jersey? (Do you have information that a court ordered the tracking, do courts order warrantless tracking? Are you saying that both a court and a U.S. Attorney violated the Constitution? Are you saying that it is OK to violate the Constitution as long as it is done by both the executive and judicial branches together?) As for me I want all three branches of government to uphold the Constitution and take seriously their oath to uphold and defend it. Perhaps the legislature needs to enact statutes to address these alleged violations of the Constitution by the judicial and executive branches!
Give up a few casino trips?
How cynical and cavalier!
And "out of touch"!
hmmm, who now represents the "effete elite"?
CONSERVATIVES AND THE CONSTITUTION
I hope you are not referring to people who defend the Constitution as "effete elite"! The Constitutiona grew out of a need to defend against the tyrannical English "effete elite" and those of their ilk. To refuse to defend the constitution against those who do not honor their oath, would subject us all to a neoconstitutional tyranny.
You Can't Make This Stuff Up
First of all Christie had a court order for tracking the cell phones of fugitives and violent fellons. The ACKU admits that the NJ and FL US Attorneys "were granted permission by COURT ORDER to 'obtain mobile phone location information without making a judicial finding of probable cause.'"
So PK, "Mr. Conservates", although you may not spell to well, I see that doesn't stop you from thinking you have a better legal understanding than the Court who granted both NJ and FL US Attorneys this permission.
The part that you can't make up is that while the NJ and FL US Attorneys were after fugitives and violent fellons, Steve Lonegan seems to have been pretty near the center of a controversy involving cell phones and GPS tracking. The only difference is that while Christie was after fugitives and violent fellons (in other words law breakers), Lonegan seems in my opinion to be after Bogota police officers (in other words law enforcers) that embarrased him. You can't make this stuff up.
Lonegan seems to be in favor of GPS tracking of law enforcement officers here and here.
It seems clear to me that Lonegan was embarrased by how he was administering government in Bogota.
Arguably the GPS equipement that Bogota aquired was purchased without multipled bids when the GPS cost was above the amount needed for public bids as required by state law.
Here is what ex-Mayor Lonegan had to say about that as recorded at a Saturday, March 20, 2004 breakfast meeting:
Lonegan: The issue of being above the local bidding threshold is administrative law, it’s
stupid. First of all forget the fact that he misrepresented himself in public… you know…
If that by itself is criminal I mean… you’re going to find in towns Bogota too, that there’s been purchases above the quote threshold without a second, you know, I don’t know if it’s criminal. But the fact that in public he told everyone that it wasn’t that price, to me is…unbelievable.
So Lonegan is on tape as saying the issue of administrative law regarding bidding thresholds is "stupid". Nice respect for the law there Stevie. We need somebody like you in the governor's mansion.
Here is information from a February 2007 legal certification from a Bogota police officer. If this police officer is not making blatant lies (and I am pretty darn sure he isn't) then Lonegan has no business being anywhere in public service:
3. On or about March 20, 2004, Mayor Lonegan arranged to meet with the Executive Board of the Fraternal Order of Police at Rick's diner in another community [Maywood, NJ]. I was in attendance at this March 20 meeting.
4. At this meeting, the parties discussed the installation of the GPS system and
Mayor Lonegan acknowledged the system had been installed and that he had Mr. Zampetti put in a purchase requisition for the system so the borough could encumber funds. Mayor Lonegan acknowledged that the price of the system was higher than the bidding threshold amount.
5. At this meeting Mayor Lonegan claimed that Corrigan only communicated with Zampetti and that he was going to have a "serious conversation" with the borough
attorney and Mr. Corrigan about what Mr. Corrigan was doing.
6. On or about March 22,2004 Mayor Lonegan's wife called me and said that her husband had left her an enclosure to be delivered to me. I suggested that we meet between the two houses at Fairleigh Dickenson University parking lot.
7. Thereafter, I met with Mayor Lonegan's wife in a parking lot at Fairleigh
Dickenson University, where Mrs. Lonegan provided me with two distinct sets of
invoices from borough attorney David Corrigan, covering the same time period.
8. I provided Mr. Brennan with a copy of the original unaltered attorney invoices. I
also communicated the fact of my meeting with Mrs. Lonegan with Mr. Brennan.
9. The original, unaltered set of Mr. Corrigan's invoices provided to me by Mrs.
Lonegan included work performed by Mr. Corrigan regarding research of whether
a police officer's cell phone records could be sought, correspondence to the
attorney general and research regarding installation of tracking devices in police
vehicles. The altered set of attorney Corrigan's invoices had these matters
deleted.
10. On or about July 2004, after a league softball game, Daniel Allen, a property
developer who was also a member of my team, bragged to me that he had contributed to Steven Lonegan's campaign and that Lonegan was going to help him get a variance in order that he could construct townhouses on property not zoned for such use.
11. Within a few hours of this conversation, I informed Mr. Brennan about Daniel
Allen's statements regarding the variance.
I think I have gone on long enough here. It gets worse from here, but I'll save it for when I have more time. But if any of you Lonegan supporters can read the above without puking over Lonegan's conduct, you are as hypocritical as he is.
Give up a few casino trips?
How cynical and cavalier!
And "out of touch"!
hmmm, who now represents the "effete elite"?
No the Modern kind
Folks such as the young Forbes who might employ a Spiro Agnew type as an attack dog and lackey to widen the financial class gap.
Constitution? Honor? How charming a thought! Does anyone really care unless it works for them?
CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES
Thanks for pointing out the typo but isn't it real embarrassing when you misspell embarrassed. I'm sure I will continue to make more typos in the future, I may even misspell some words.
In your first paragraph you stated that Attorneys "were granted permission by COURT ORDER to 'obtain mobile phone location information without making a judicial finding of probable cause"'
You are admitting my point, the court violated the requirement of probable cause, that is unconstitutional. I guess you are trying to make the arguement that it is constitutional. All I'm saying is that I will vote for assemblymen and senators' that understand that it is not constitutional; and are willing to clarify the matter by prohibiting it via enactment of a statute declaring it illegal.
Your Video clips at "here and here" were hard to hear. Was there something unconstitutional on those clips?
Being able to monitor the police via GPS may be a good idea, it would allow more efficient dispatching and faster response. It could allow one police officer to respond more quickly to another officer in trouble. Are you objecting to more efficient government or increased police safety?
It was hard to hear the video that you linked to, but if I heard it correctly Lonegan wasn't the person who made the purchase, it was someone in the police department. If he fired him, you probably would have complained about that too.
Many of your other points are difficult to connect to one another, I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make - please clarify.
P.S. fellon is spelled felon, aquired is spelled acquired, I think you were trying to type multiple when you typed multipled. Really, you misspelled embarrassed twice. How many times did you misspell felon?
Repetition Doesn’t Make it True
PK, you sure are one arrogant legal genius.
Obviously the Court did not think what the FL and NJ Attorneys asked for was unconstitutional. Maybe you know the law better than the Court. But go ahead repeat the Lonegan sound bites about it being unconstitutional.
Perhaps, tracking cell phones is not an illegal search and seizure. It’s not exactly the same as say stopping a car at random on the highway and searching for alcohol, drugs or firearms.
The bigger story is that by looking at your posts towards the top of the thread, it seems that the Lonegan folks can spoon feed you any sort of crap and you will eat it.
Now you understand that the FL and NJ Attorneys had a Court order. You wrote: “Do you have information that a court ordered the tracking, do courts order warrantless tracking?” Well, yes, I actually took a minute to read the friggin' newspaper story instead of regurgitating Lonegan sound bites.
GPS tracking
Sounds like you are ready to sign up for the new EDR (Event Data Recorder). Looks like there is a new device out there called the MacBox telematic that records everything in a car: breaking, speed, even video and voice data.
Yes, the courts have upheld the use of warrantless GPS tracking. It appears you approve of this. I suggest that you advertise Christie's approval of this and let the voters decide if they think it is a violation of their fourth amendment rights.
Hey, I'm not a republican or a democrat, I just like an original intent view of the constitution.
I have no idea how Lonegan feels about GPS tracking, but if you believe that he has pro-constitutional views that you refer to as "crap"; I'll have to take a closer look at the guy.
I didn't start these comments defending Lonegan,I started these comments defending the constitution. You brought Lonegan into the conversation when you suggested he was somehow anti police for some purchase of a GPS system for police cars, and your own posted video seems to indicate that he wasn't the one who made the purchase. Do you think that he should have fired the police official that purchased the system? (Again the sound quality on the video was poor, so I'm not sure what really happened) But, you want to make people who object to warrantless GPS tracking out as being somehow anti police! Requiring a warrant is not anti police! Requiring a warrant is pro constitutional, court opinion notwithstanding.
So you think that Lonegan is against warrantless GPS tracking - I'll have to find out if that is true, if it is, I may just vote for him.
P.S. did we spell "crap" right?
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