Cryan: 'We were stuck in the 30's. That was the real story of the election'

By Matt Friedman | November 13th, 2009 - 12:43pm
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MADISON - Gov. Jon Corzine's campaign thought they were well positioned to win re-election against former U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie leading right up to Election Day, Democratic State Chairman Joseph Cryan (D-Union) said today at a joint event with his Republican counterpart, Jay Webber (R-Morris Plains) at Fairleigh Dickinson University.

"Candidly, we thought we were going to win. We had numbers that showed on the Sunday before the election that we were in a position to win," said Cryan who, along with Webber, is also an assemblyman. 

Cryan made the point in response to a question from FDU pollster and political science professor Peter Woolley about whether the Democratic Party abandoned Corzine.  Although there were clearly base problems and the unaffiliated vote went heavily for Christie, the loss did not result in part from party leaders scuttling the campaign, as some have suggested after looking at the anemic turnout from the state's Democrat-rich urban voting districts. 

"We ran a campaign that appealed to the Democratic core in the hopes it would bring folks forward," Cryan said.  "Certainly we tried very hard to inspire the new Obama voter, who clearly needed more inspiration than we could provide." 

Cryan said that the campaign had trouble cutting through with their message.  Corzine had provided real tax relief, he argued, but it didn't live up to the campaign promise of "40 in 4" he made in 2005.

"You might have heard us mention more than once that we had the most property tax relief in history. It's not a lie -- we did. But nobody believed it," he said.

Webber argued that Corzine's appeal to their base on mammograms, abortion and guns did not work because the election above all a referendum on Corzine's four years in office.

"There's no one element of the campaign or election season that this is the reason why or that is the reason why. It is both a referendum on the incumbent and I think a real vote of confidence for our new governor," he said.

Webber said that Christie's victory showed that conservatives can win in traditionally Democratic states like New Jersey, though he stopped short of saying that it signifies a conservative resurgence in blue states. 

Christie, Webber said, did not run away from questions on hot button social issues.  But he didn't emphasize them. 

"You have your conservative principles and beliefs. You don't back away from them or try to explain them - you defend them when you have to.  But you talk about those kitchen table issues that voters care about," he said. "Certainly, Chris demonstrated that pro-life, pro-traditional family, pro-voucher, pro-tax cut Republican can win in New Jersey."

Although Cryan did not think the intra-party fight between Senate President Richard Codey (D-Roseland) and his likely successor, Senate Majority Leader Stephen Sweeney (D-West Deptford), had a drastic effect on the election results, he admitted that it was an "inside baseball distractions for a guy like me" and ate up precious newspaper coverage.

"I didn't read at any point in the election about renegade Republicans, that I can recall... that's a credit to Jay and a credit to the campaign," he said.  "Obviously, any time we were talking about something other than the gubernatorial, we were off message."

Webber, for his part, said the Democratic leadership struggle was a "symptom of the Democratic Party in New Jersey" going too far to please its major constituent groups without offering any new ideas.

"You can only take that model so far," said Webber.   "You got to the point where there was nothing new being offered by Jon Corzine or the Democratic Party. The knock on Christie was there was no plan, but when you listened to Jon Corzine you didn't really hear anything either."

For Cryan, however, there was an overarching them to the election.  Corzine's approval ratings were mired in upside-down territory, and they scarcely improved throughout the race.

"Frankly, we were stuck in the 30s...  That was the real story of the election," he said.

When asked about redistricting, Webber said that a recent U.S. Supreme Court in North Carolina decision will pave the way to drawing more contiguous districts, making districts in Essex County, southern Bergen County and Passaic County more competitive and "giving Republicans a better chance to win."  He also said he expects redistricting to follow population shifts to the southern and western parts of the state. 

Both Cryan and Webber occupy what are considered "safe" districts to their respective parties. 

Cryan defended having safe districts.

"You need safe districts, because you need to bring forth some ideas," he said, arguing some necessary ideas that are unpopular with certain segments of the population would be hard to propose if all 40 districts were competitive.

On the congressional level, Webber acknowledged that New Jersey was "almost certain" to lose a congressional seat and that it will "almost inevitably lead to pitting one incumbent against another incumbent."

Cryan added that he has one race in mind he looks forward to seeing.

"I'm all for Leonard Lance running against Rodney Frelinghuysen," he said.

 

 

"I'm all for Leonard Lance

"I'm all for Leonard Lance running against Rodney Frelinghuysen," he said.

Rodney wins that one

competative districts

I agree that this race turned on a referendum on Corzine. Being in the 30s and once Christie became a credible alternative, especially with his strong no tax and cut spending message, it was hard to see where Corzine would get the votes to win. This was not an Obama election, Corzine cannot bring out those numbers.

I do disagree, however, with Cryan with the need for safe districts. In fact I find the creation of safe districts to be undemocratic and a strong reason why government has failed us in recent years. Safe districts breed the extremes of both parties while most voters are actually in the middle. Elected officials who are not afraid of the voters are not responsive and care more for the party then they do for their constituents.

You do not need safe districts to bring out new and controversial ideas. You need leaders. Competative districts give the voters a real choice and forces the candidates to address real concerns. Does anyone else find it un-democratic and perhaps unconstitutional, that we have a system that re-elected every single Assembly incumbent? That is not what our founders had in mind and it does not serve us well, no matter which party is in power.

Mired at 30%

Actually, a Zogby poll in Aug 2008 had Corzine leading Christie at 45 to 36 percent, with six percent for "other." The remaining 13 percent were undecideds. You could make the argument that every one of those 13 percent of undecideds broke for Christie, given the final total of 49-45-6.

To Rayzor42

I agree 100% with you about the districting...a problem that will remain forever, since they make the rules. Basically, we just have to wait until corruption inevitably brings down anyone who has been in office too long in their non-competitive district (when, not if). In NJ, this is how we define term-limits (you stay in office until you are so blatantly corrupt that you are caught).

Return the Favor

Maybe we can move FairLawn and Fort Lee into Dist 37 and get rid of Bob Gordon, making 37 a continued Dem lock which it is, with some D towns out of 38 that can return to being Republican - we can also shift some Passaic towns out of 36 and move in some R bergen towns getting Dist 36 back.

redistricting

More than likely, if NJ loses a seat -- as is anticipated -- an incumbent will retire. In '92, the last time NJ lost a seat, Reps. Roe, Rinaldo, Guarini and Dwyer (who was facing a primary vs. Pallone) retired. As a bonus: they got to keep their campaign money.

In 2012, it's not out of the question that Rush Holt would retire after 7 terms. His district could get merged with Lance.

While Cryan pines for a Lance v. Frelinghuysen match-up, Frelinghuysen v. Garrett would be more appetizing. Tough to bet against Garrett in that one.

The number crunching is always interesting to watch.

Despite all the BS

Corzine was a lousy governor. It had nothing to do with ideology. Christie is as conservative as Cryan is a tea drinker.

There are a couple of good

There are a couple of Republican towns in the Paterson district that should be moved to a district where they would do some good.

Cryan and the Democrats need a reality check

A third party candidate was polling an near 20% the Sunday before, but everyone pulls the curtain and has a conscience check. They feared 4 more years of Corzine more than they wanted to make a statement. This was strictly about getting rid of Corzine and thumbing their nose at Obama.

"If you don't read the newspapers, you are uninformed; if you do read the newspapers, you are misinformed."  - Mark Twain

 

Cryan Out Load!

If anyone deserves the blame for Corzine's loss more than Jon Corzine it is Joe Cryan. What a LOOOOOSER! Wrong on Hillary Clinton, Wrong on Pay-to Play, Wrong on Ferriero.

Didn't inspire the Obama voter? What exactly did you give the Obama voter to be inspired about? Didn't mention COAH in the election once. Didn't mention the abolition of RCA's, didn't mention anything that might offend the "white middle class" voter. Thankfully Obama voters need more than a speech to be inspired.

And Cryan out loud! Safe districts should be abolished. Candidates and policies should rise and fall on their merits not some predetermined line in the street. I'll bet a dollar that quote will come back to haunt him and the party

Finally, I am sick of the Democrats depending on the "urban" vote to save their ass. Frankly, it is offensive. Corzine got clobbered in Ocean and Monmouth. Maybe he should have spent a little more time standing next to the new lane on the GSP and less time in Newark. Makes me sick to my stomach.

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