... did she stalk a state legislator? Was it bail moaney he paid? Was it to smooth over an affair? Was it to buy an interest group's vote? Was it to buy the support of a corrupt urban machine? No? Then the issue is... ???

Wow.  The more this garbage comes out from the Corzine campaign, the more I am becoming inclined to vote for Chris Christie out of pure repudiation for the idiotic campaign being run by the Democratic Party.

For  the soft underbelly of the Christie Campaign.

Who cares! lol

He gave a friend a loan--one that she's been paying off. I guess this means that Christ e deserves a life sentence.

It makes me so happy when I read the christie camp downplay a story like this, because then I know it stings really bad! Brown is the #2 sitting federal prosecutoer in this state and she owes Big Boy 40 grand! Are you kidding me? I'm sure Rick Merkt will get a real fair shake at the usa's office over his allegations that the christie campaign tried to bribe him out of the race. Sounds like a case for michelle brown to investigate. What a pathetic joke the us attorneys office has allowed itself to become. Career prosecutors, know that your reputatuons are being smeared by the minute. Ultimately, eing an AUSA for christie is going to be almost as bad as being a Mcgreevey aide.

Next week Corzine will accuse Christie of driving 60 in a 55, thereby showing the New Jersey public how reckless Christie is. Seriously, the best the Dems can do is bring up an accusation with a two word rebuttal...Carla Katz. Does the Democratic Party in this state not understand that loans to friends are supposed to be repaid. And that giving a large sum, say in the neighborhood of $400,000 to someone you deal with, and letting them not repay it is behavior that would lead to questioning.

I thought federal justice employees weren't supposed to politic, what is she doing at a Christie event if she is now number 2 at USA's office? Understanding that they are friends there should be no problem privately supporting, but publicly? Whatever happened to avoiding the appearance of impropriety? And this is the candidate that is going to cleanse NJ of political corruption?
Maybe it would have been better if once CC became a candidate for gov for her to make other financial arrangements and pay the loan in full, then they wouldn't be on the defensive - again- about the cross-pollination of politics and the USA office.

..necessary?

By Corzine standards, that's puny. It's $424,000.00 less then the $470,000.00 loan that Corzine made to powerful union leader Carla Katz in 2002 (so she could buy out her ex-husbands share of their home).

I hope that he's not paying former Star Ledger reporter, turned Corzine dirt digger, a lot of money. Christie filed the loan legally---any dirt digging deadbeat could have found it.

Corzine's(D-Wall Street) desperation is frightening.....

"Don't let facts get in the way"...Corzine '09

that this is the sort of thing that makes news when the State is plummeting into financial ruin and the sitting governor refuses to even acknowledge an $8 billion structural deficit, let alone fix it. Our state is so done. It'sa a $40,000 loan to a freind and fellow coworker... not $6 million in hush money to a former mistress or hush cash to some guy he appointed with a hush job to the Turnpike Authority. I hope people are smarter than to fall for this kind of Corzine trash - typical Wall Street garbage and what you would expect from Wall street bottom-feeding, overpaid scum.

What about the six-digit amount our Governor gave to Carla's brother? The most significant thing about this $46,000 is that it would be too small an amount for John Corzine to give (let alone loan) to anybody as a political payoff.

So Chris Christie helps out a friend via a loan that is being repaid, what's the problem? I think that makes him an even better person. I guess the Corzine campaign has just jumped the shark!

The issue is mostly nonsense, but since Corzine got beat up over not disclosing the loan to Katz (not to mention the propriety of same), Christie's non-disclosure of this financial entanglement has some bite. The headline is much worse than the actual story and we all know far too many people who only read the headline and move on to sports/leisure/etc. This won't be a good news cycle for Christie.

maybe they were more then just friends.

After giving Karla Katz hundreds of thousands and giving her brother in law even more, then hiding the e-mails they exchanged when contract negotiations were going on, Corzine's got an awful lot of nerve to make a big deal over a loan that was given and is being paid back.

When will Corzine actually run on his record? LOL!

"We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work!"
- FDR's Treasure Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, in 1939, on 8 years of New Deal spending as an attempt to end the Great Depression.

It's about setting up a beholden/beholder relationship between a partisan candidate for high political office and a federal prosecutor. It is an astounding lack of judgment.

It's clearly an entanglement that is better avoided-- one can well imagine the smarmy, smug former USA lecturing New Jersey citizens that they need to demand "better judgment from their elected officials."

Yet more "do as I say, not as I do."

This is pocket change compared to what Corzine has handed out. Pot kettle called.

A subordinate. This is totally unethical and shows that Christie is just like all the rest. As distasteful as the Carla Katz stuff was, she never worked in Corzine's office.

So giving a loan to somoene you are trying to negotiate a union contract with on behalf of the state you run of nearly half a million dollars is ethical? Are you kidding me? And you never had a boss who would be willing to help you out - at a profit - in order to ensure you did not lose your home? You are a joke.

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All this does is give Christie / press oppty to bring up the Katz matter and remind everyone AGAIN about that whole fiasco.

THe email fiasco was backpage news. T Wilson's flop was the cover story. This is another reason why CC cant use it or spin it in his favor

Not just a friend
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A subordinate. This is totally unethical and shows that Christie is just like all the rest. As distasteful as the Carla Katz stuff was, she never worked in Corzine's office.
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There's no reason to assume a conflict of interest with regards to Chris Christie making out a laon to one of his subbordinates. On the other hand, Carla Katz may not have been an staffer of Governor Corzine's, but her relationship with the Governor was a CLEAR conflict of interest. The role of a union leader is to be adversarial with the governor and negociate contracts. We already know that she was his girlfriend and that there are hundreds of e-mails between them that that went on after they split and Corzine won't make public those e-mails (invoking "executive privelege"), but he made a $470,000 loan to a union leader.

The amount of money that Corzine loaned to this woman, who was his girlfriend and an extremely powerful union leader, was ten times the amount of money that Christie loaned to his subordinate.

your dastardly perception only makes sense in hindsight.  the loan was 2007, not 2009.  There was no partisan candidate for high office in the equation.  This woman is beholden to Christie for nothing other than the $500 a month payment she has to make through 2017.  His wife further understands and appears to approve of the arrangement making the vulgar insinuation by another A-hole poster here completely baseless.

I guess I dont' think like a NJ Democrat because I cannot see the brightside of questioning this considering their candidate's backstory is littered with questionable loans, payoffs, and bail-outs.  Any comment Corzine may have on this begs the follow up question, 'how is this different/worse than your experience?'

Some economic data highlighting even further the failure of this Adminstration and its legislative cohorts must be on the horizon which some moron felt could be avoided if they floated this story out there.  If this is the brainchild of the newly reacquired Mr. Fox, I hope Corzine hasn't cut him his first paycheck yet.

Corzine gives millions to Carla Katz and reports none of it on his U.S. Senate disclosure forms, and he has the gall to question a real loan to a friend (that's one tha't paid back...not forgiven like Corzine loans to his squeeze)??????? This report proves two things. Corzine should not be governor. NJN should not exist.

If John Corzine has commuted with a female underling who he gave performance reviews to and promoted to be closer to him, then gave a below-market loan to her which he failed to disclose on either the required federal or state forms you all would be going ballistic. Your "don't look over there" is pure hypocrisy.

Is this a big deal in the normal world? Probably not.

But it is a big deal when it fomest to this campaign because 1) the GOP loves to attack over these things, but whines when it whipsaws back on them; and 2) Christie portends to be Mr. Clean and Perfect so any blemish is proof he is not what he says he is.

So take your lumps like grownups, and be happy they're coming in August. Just hope there aren't any more in October.

And you point is? Being a friend of a co-worker I have lent money to them, so what is the big deal, it is being paid back. It was in 2007 not 2009, the loan is being paid back, end of discussion. Now if you want to discuss a loan of unscrupulous means look at Corzine and Karla Katz. This loan I believe was for 450,000 and she was the girlfriend union head, he is the governor now that is really unethical and worth discussing, I hope Corzine brings up the matter during the debate so that he can be put in his place once and for all. He is a disgrace as a Governor, has done absolutly nothing in 3 years and now that it is reelction time he is beginning to get a spark of life, well to little to late, he will be the looser come November.

That's called "loosing" two weeks in a row.

And yes, they are early rounds, but they are still rounds nonetheless.

Old Chris Chris had better get on the phone and call in that loan if his debtor can't change the subject with more arrests (as opposed to indictments, which actually take some lawyering).

Here's the problem: he somehow knew Stack wasn't going to be charged. He either got the word or gave the word. To/from the former subordinate, who quite literally owes him.

Appearance is next to godliness. Got it?

Great campaign strategy, thanks Jon! The voters had almost forgotten about the Carla Katz shenanigans. How about leaking a story that Christie DOES wear a seatbelt while driving; DOESN'T sleep with the president of the union with whom he is negotiating and WILL roll over and give the unions everything AND MORE than they asked for and DOESN'T pay her $6 mil. hush money and DOESN'T give her brother $15K to cover up his Nixonian spying on your enemies; WILL NOT raise tolls by 800%; WILL NOT appoint Zulima Farber to anything! ANYTHING! Keep the mud flying Jon 'cause it all just splatters right back up in your face. Your campaign should be extolling your excellent executive qualities and highlighting everything you've done for New Jersey. (Insert sound of crickets chirping here.)

At least get your facts straight:

1) Corzine was not governor when he made and forgave the loan to Katz. At the time there was no professional relationship, and the reason he forgave the loan was to erase any ongoing relationship.

2) Christie didn't give the loan to a "coworker" but to a subordinate who relied on him for reviews, raises and promotions. They had an active professional relationship at the time of the loan, and she received promotions while the loan was outstanding.

It is that big a deal? Probably not. But to pretend that it is nothing after years of whining about Corzine and Katz just makes you all look ridiculous. It's just like the sanctimonious born again Senators who get caught picking up men in Minnesota bathrooms or sleeping with their chief of staff's wife.

Does Christie think we're stupid? Does he think Ms. Brown could not get a mortgage from a broker or bank, not even during the lending bubble, not even a subprime or teaser-rate or JUNK-ARM loan?

If any politician gave this type of loan to a close associate while Christie was U.S. Attorney, you can bet a grand jury would have been convened pronto.

Christie didn't put it on his tax return, either. Some ethical paragon he is.

This just stinks and there's likley more to the story than what we know so far. First off, Mendham is a very expensive place to live. Are we to believe that borrowing $46K FROM HER BOSS was the only way for this couple to come out from under their clearly irresponsible finincial management? What about downsizing? What about another job, a second job? The fact is that millions of people loose their jobs and have credit card debt but they don't get to borrow $46K from their boss. Let's hear what her husband has to say about this. How much credit card debt was there? What's the Mendham property worth? Lots of unanswered questions here and it's beginning to stink. No one's a saint. But those glass houses sure don't like stones being thrown at thenm do they?

she was a subordinate not a coworker. there's a difference.

Your words...."As distasteful as the Carla Katz stuff was, she never worked in Corzine's office."

How do you know she never worked in Corzine's office?

So Christie doesn't report the income on his tax return. Does that mean he hasn't been paid by his former underling or that he filed a fraudulent tax return. The only reason he would have filed a tax return omitting this would be to conceal the deal from everyone. Christie used his office for his own purposes; he is paid off Brown to keep a leash on her after leaving office. It doesn't take a sixth sense to figure out what is going on here. Christie and maybe Brown filed false tax returns. Let's see if the IRS gives them a pass or not. Let's see if the IRS goes after Mary Pat for failing to report income from which she benefited. I wonder how other people who have been prosecuted for similar innocent acts feel about this. Does the prosecutor have more rights than the citizen? Probably if your dealing with the Justice Department in NJ. These people have devolved into a group of renegades under the leadership of Christie. Money buys power and allegiances. Do you think Michele Brown can act independently if Chris asks for a favor? I think we all know the answer to that question.

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...a man in his position is required, by law, to report all of these kinds of transactions in his disclosure forms. He's also supposed to declare all of his income (it's not like he's a poor schlub earning less than a thousand bucks a year).

He may be able to repair this by filing amended returns etc; but the fact remains that he HAS to do that to avoid legal actions against him!

If anyone believes that Brown doesn't give him inside info they are naive. She owes him more than just money she owes him her whole carreer. And God knows what else they have between them, eh?

All this on top of Hatch Act violations and of the fact that he bought his job from Bush for 350K etc etc etc.

Christie is toast....if Corzine ever takes the gloves fully off.

The nonsense re Katz is ancient history and for Christie to bring that up now makes him look like a desperate fool.

Congrats - you have won the Idiot of the Day Award - and it is only 9:15 AM. Since when were you appointed judge and jury? First, he did nothing wrong with helping a friend and colleague out. He did not violate the Hatch Act as you erroneously pointed out. How do I know? I worked for the federal government and spent six hours twice a year going over the do's and don't's of the Hatch Act. This does not even come close. I find it funny that you whine like a sissy that Christie violated the law by failing to report it but when the Obama Administration puts up nominees who did the exact same thing, you are silent. In addition, Corzine's failure to report any loans on his Senate discolsure is the exact same thing. Did you cry about that too? Hypocrite.

How many times has Corzine broken the law? Let's start with the seat belt issue that almost got him killed. Then we'll move to the Carla Katz fiasco, and his collusion to keep his e-mails to her secret. Next, his affiliation with Goldman Sachs which ripped off the American people to the tune of Trillions. We'll be hearing about EnCap-Corzine and Corzine-EnCap pretty soon. Notwithstanding his campaign lies to reduce taxes and lower the budget deficit and state debt, where does it end with this criminal and the rest of the Democrazy criminals in the People's Democratic Republic of New Jersey?

Just because Corzine did something worse does not meant this can be ignored. Who makes loans like that to co-workers in politcal appointee jobs without a payback? This is a typical race in NJ to see who is more corrupt. How can anyone possibly believe or support Corzine or Christie?

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