August 20, 2008 - 11:01am
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Doherty pushes for voters to decide gay marriage question, gets invited to gay wedding

On the heels of a poll commissioned by a LGBT rights organization that said the majority of New Jersey voters favor allowing gay marriage, Assemblyman Michael Doherty (R-Washington Township) pushed for his own legislation that would call for an amendment to the state constitution that would allow New Jerseyans to vote on the issue.

“The people of New Jersey should have the final say on this fundamental issue and it’s time to allow their voices to be heard so that we can put this diversion behind us and move forward on real issues that are affecting our residents,” said Doherty in a press release.

Meanwhile, Steven Goldstein – chair of Garden State Equality, which paid for the Zogby poll – took the opportunity to invite Doherty to his own wedding that he hopes to have after legislation permitting gay marriage is passed.

“He’s entitled to his view and I look forward to welcoming him to my wedding in New Jersey in 2009,” said Goldstein. “Honestly, if he’d like to be in the wedding party, he’s more than welcome. I’ll personally buy him any tuxedo of his choosing.”

The poll, which was released yesterday, found that New Jersey voters support allowing gays to marry by a margin of 50% to 42%.

Doherty said that the gay marriage issue was a smokescreen to distract voters from Gov. Corzine’s low poll numbers, a high cost of living, a “back breaking” debt and high property taxes. He said that the issue was raised last year to distract from Gov. Corzine’s highly unpopular – and now dead—asset monetization plan.

“It seems a pattern has emerged where Mr. Goldstein and other funded agitators pop up when necessary to run interference for the Corzine Administration and other Democrats when they are either considering unpopular proposals such as their highly controversial ‘asset monetization’ scheme or an official’s low performance ratings,” he said. “Either way, it’s a constant agitation of society much like former President Bill Clinton’s ‘wag the dog’ antics to keep the heat off of his personal indiscretions.”

Goldstein, who’s gay, married his partner in Canada in 2002, but hopes to get married in New Jersey once legislation is passed in 2009. He said that it’s disingenuous for conservatives to advocate a referendum now, when they used to support going the legislative route. State Sen. Loretta Weinberg (D-Teaneck) has already announced her intention to introduce gay marriage legislation.

Goldstein cast the marriage question as a civil rights issue, and noted that Americans traditionally do not vote on those questions.

“In America you don’t take public referenda on voting rights, women’s rights, the right to have a society free of prejudice. Civil unions are as offensive to gay people as separate facilities would be to other groups based on who they are,” he said.

Moreover, Goldstein argued, his own marriage hasn’t caused any discord in other married couples, and noted that some of the states that allow gay marriage have low divorce rates.

“There are real threats to marriage in this country: the economy, joblessness, poverty. Marriage is not a threat to marriage,” he said, adding that “A ban on marriage equality has as much of a chance ever getting on the ballot as I have in growing to six feet tall by 5 p.m. today.” (Goldstein is 5’8).

Doherty, however, politely declined Goldstein’s wedding invitation in a phone interview after letting out a hearty laugh, preferring instead to engage him in a public forum on gay marriage.

“I appreciate his thinking of me. It’s a very important day,” said Doherty. “But I really think the more important thing for a state legislator to do is discuss public policy.”

But the kind words for Goldstein ended there, with Doherty branding him as an “elitist” who refused to let the public decide. While Doherty said he’d prefer the legislature vote on the issue than to have it decided by judges, he thinks that an important constitutional question ought to be decided by the public.

“It goes to the heart of the question of where constitutional rights come from. Some people would say they come from our creator and the constitution is put into place to protect those god-given rights. For those who say that there is no god, they say they certainly can’t come from government, they should come from the people. That’s all I’m saying here: let the people of New Jersey decide.”

MATT FRIEDMAN is a PolitickerNJ.com Reporter and can be reached via email at matt@politicsnj.com.

Comments

Put it to a vote!


It is time to let people decide is marriage should be re-defined. Tell your elected officials to vote "yes" on ACR 120, which would place the question on the ballot. No more activist judges pushing an agenda!

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08/20/08 2:24 pm

Goldstein is right


Plain and simple.

08/20/08 3:05 pm

Let Me Get This Straight - Pun Intended


What Steve Goldstein is saying is that he doesn't want the citizens of New Jersey to decide this issue facing them and their communities, instead he wants the government to decide it. Why am I not surprised? This is the typical liberal mentality, when the citizenry might not or won't make the decision we want, we'll take the decision out of their hands.

If Steve believes in the poll he purchased, results and all, then surely he believes the citizens will vote in favor of allowing gay marriage. This is a perfect issue to appear on the ballot in 2009.

Frankly, I don't care what the outcome is but on an issue like this, it should be up to New Jersey's citizens to decide, not the liberal legislature.

08/20/08 3:24 pm

Goldstein is right. You


Goldstein is right. You don’t risk reifying prejudice and curtailing civil rights by taking the pulse of the still evolving electorate and enshrining it in the Constitution. His cases in point seem to me perfect illustratioin.

Doherty: “It goes to the heart of the question of where constitutional rights come from. Some people would say they come from our creator and the constitution is put into place to protect those god-given rights. For those who say that there is no god, they say they certainly can’t come from government, they should come from the people. That’s all I’m saying here: let he people of New Jersey decide.”

Translation anyone? Isn’t our government, our representative democracy, of, by, and for the people?

08/20/08 4:25 pm

SoWeary


"Goldstein is right. You don’t risk reifying prejudice and curtailing civil rights by taking the pulse of the still evolving electorate and enshrining it in the Constitution. His cases in point seem to me perfect illustratioin."

In other words, voters shouldn't have a say because they're not "progressive" or "educated" enough to decide and any voting down of a gay marriage resolution is purely a product of "homophobia" and prejudice?

Jeez, I've heard some self righteous, condescending garbage before but this takes the cake. "Still evolving electorate"? What in the blue hell does that even mean?

I hate to break this to you along with Steven Goldstein and his minions, but preventing this issue from coming to a vote as it rightfully should in fear of you not liking the outcome is not a risk of "taking the pulse of a still evolving electorate". It's called cheating. That is not how democracy works.

If you respected one's legitimate right to dissent rather than label everybody who doesn't think like you a hatemongerer, "unevolved" or a homophobe, you probably wouldn't have to resort to using rogue courts who overstep their bounds in order to get your way which also happens to be cheating.

Trying to force your beliefs on people like Jehovah's Witnesses is not going to help your cause by any stretch.

"You don't learn from smart people, you learn from idiots. Watch what they do, and then don't do it."- Minnesota Fats

08/20/08 7:16 pm

Why are we even bothering...


with this nonsense? Do you really want to have a plebiscite on gay marriage? Are you going to sleep better at night having voted? Give me a break! This crap is nothing more than a sideshow taking away from the real bread-and-butter issues... Don't be taken in by these "red herring" issues that have no real bearing on anything else... You're the same dopes that congratulate the other myrmidons on being "great Americans" while waiving your Chinese-made "U.S" flags, swigging your Rocky Mountain piss-water, whoring yourselves to the Aussie's' media empire, and cheering the non compis mentis President and his gap-toothed Secretary of State as they usher in WWIII... who cares if George Takei wants to march down the aisle with his mate to "One (Singular Sensation)"? Oh my!!!

08/20/08 9:31 pm

Oh please!


It never ceases to amaze me the liberties of interpretation some here take with what I write. I don’t believe I used or implied the words ‘progressive,’ ‘educated,’ ‘hatemonger,’ ‘homophobia,’ etc. Since when does “still evolving” mean “unevolved?” Societal norms and views change (“evolve”) over time.

Women did not receive the right to vote until 1920. I do not suggest prior statesmen who denied them that were unevolved humans, but only that society advanced. There are of course myriad other examples. In my view, gay rights are civil rights and will become more widely accepted as social views evolve, just as women’s rights and minority rights did. You don’t need to agree with me but I don’t think you need to be such an ass about disagreeing. Please tell me where in my statement of my views I disrespected others’ right to dissent. I respect your right to your opinions, no matter what I think of them. I just would appreciate a bit of civility in debate.

We do not have a democracy. We have a republic that practices representative democracy (as best I remember; feel free to correct me). We elect leaders to make studied and coherent decisions on our behalf, and we toss them out if we don’t like their performance. We have a judiciary to enforce the Constitution and protect the rights of minorities.

Though I do think there would be broad support for gay rights, risking reifying in perpetuity a possible inclination of the electorate at a slice in time to limit others’ rights strikes me as unwise. We did not put other civil rights to that test.

08/22/08 10:10 am

Considering the current


Considering the current divorce rates people don't seem to take marriage seriously yet everyone has an opinion when it comes to gay marriages and im sure some of those people are divorced or have been. I don't care about gays getting married i can only imagine what a marriage counseling session would be like if they were about to get divorced. I don't think there is anything written about people getting married having to be of the opposite sex.

11/05/08 2:25 pm