July 28, 2008 - 2:16pm
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Myers ratchets up fight with Blue Jersey
By Matt Friedman, PolitickerNJ.com ReporterRepublican 3rd District congressional candidate Chris Myers fired the latest salvo in a war of words with the progressive blog Blue Jersey today, accusing them of engaging in a coordinated effort with rival Democrat John Adler’s campaign to discredit Myers’s military service.
Myers held a press conference in Medford to denounce a Blue Jersey post that questioned whether he should continue to cite himself as a “combat veteran.”
“John Adler’s refusal to publicly and forcefully condemn these liberal bloggers and their vicious, dishonest attacks on me and other veterans is a disgrace,” said Myers in a statement. “John Adler could put an end to these outrageous attacks against me and the veteran’s community if he wanted to; instead chooses to sit by silently in the hopes of scoring cheap political points at my expense. He should be ashamed.”
Myers took the opportunity to point out that Adler did not serve in the military, while his campaign manager, Chris Russell, insinuated that Blue Jersey and the Adler campaign were in cahoots.
“These dishonest attacks against Chris Myers’ are an underhanded, coordinated effort between the Adler campaign and ultra-liberal bloggers to diminish Chris’ record of service to our country, and it’s despicable,” said Russell.
The author of the blog entry, Thurman Hart, served six years in the Navy. Reached for comment today, he said he never doubted that Myers is rightfully entitled to two awards reserved for combat veterans, but that Myers’s ship never really saw combat and the Combat Action Ribbon and Navy Commendation Medal with a V designator were give to the crew of Myers’s ship through a Navy policy waiver.
Hart, an adjunct political science professor at New Jersey City University, said that Myers is entitled to wear the medals, but is misleading people when he claims to be a “combat veteran.”
“I’m not attacking what he did. I’m attacking his mischaracterization of what he did,” said Hart. “I have no problem if he wants to say he’s a decorated veteran or that he served with distinction in desert storm, but it wasn’t combat, and he knows it isn’t… If he wants to run as a combat veteran, he’s going to actually have to show he was in combat, and the public record shows that he was not in direct combat. That should have some meaning.”
Hart said that there was no coordinated effort between Blue Jersey and the Adler campaign. Blue Jersey Technical Director Scott Shields echoed that claim, as did Adler spokesman Steve Ayscue.
Ayscue said that the fight should be between Myers and Blue Jersey, and that the Adler campaign has never called Myers’s military service into question. Moreover, Ayscue said that he ran into Myers at a restaurant on Thursday evening and discussed the issue with him there, and that Myers’s concern was that military veterans are not politicized.
“If he’s a man of his word, why is he politicizing veterans? We’re not politicizing veterans. We’ve been crystal clear about this issue,” said Ayscue, who added that Adler had the same conversation with Myers. “If he wants to have a battle with bloggers, that’s between him and bloggers. It’s not our campaign.”
Russell responded that Adler is being disengenous by claiming nothing to do with the issue, and that Blue Jersey bloggers would drop the issue of Adler called on them to do so.
"By not doing it, he’s perpetuating the stuff, and he’s doing it on purpose," he said.
Blue Jersey founder Juan Melli recently joined Politicker.com as an associate editor. He contributes a column to PolitickerNJ.com and no longer is involved with Blue Jersey.
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Anyone tell Myers...
Has anyone told Myers, he's running against John Adler and not the Blue Jersey website?
Much to do about nothing for Myers.
No Doubt Team Adler in Co-Hoots
Wasn't it John Adler who proudly proclaimed that the left-wing bloggers of BJ are the true "citizen soldiers"?
There is no doubt this is a coordinated attack between the Adler camp and BJ. Whether Adler has direct knowledge or not remains unclear.
I know some of the folks in the Adler camp and this is exactly what they get paid for - find dirt and if there is none, make some up.
Myers is right; Adler should denounce this right now instead of having his spokesman dance around it.
Come out with it
abetternjnow needs to chose his words more carefully.
John Adler said,"they are new citizen soldiers in terms of activism, in terms of the spreading of information, the sharing of ideas."
Do not deceivingly quote Adler as to say he called them "the true citizen soldiers". That suggests Adler values them above any veteran, guardsman, or reserve soldier.
Who in the Adler camp is paid to find dirt? If you are going to make accusations about anyone, come clean about who you're talking about instead of slinging mud at everyone associated with John Adler.
silent candidate
I'd like to know what John Adler really thinks about all of this.
No Surprise
Everyone has to be aware that Adler and the dems will do everything and anything to win this seat. Adler knows he cannot seriously call himself a friend of vets and knows what they have gone through because he himself has never served.
As for Mr Hart's "justification" on what IS is "military service" is pathetic to say the least. It is quite humerous to watch the back peddling of the Adler camp trying to pull their trousers up because what BlueJersey has effectively done is cast the perception that those who like Myers didnt actually face "battle" are not in the same league
Way to go Adler, you already lost the support of they Jewish War Vets and now other Vet groups will be following.
Sorry, but BlueJersey should have known better IMHO.
No coordination huh?
So according to the Adler camp, there is no coordination between his campaign and Blue NJ and its bloggers? Well, let's take the words of Jay Lassiter, Blue NJ blogger, who states: "At the Adler Campaign we marked the occasion (100 days left in the campaign) with a "mobilize for change day." Now to me and any other rational individual, there is a clear coordination and even activism between bloggers on the site and the Adler campaign.
Lassiter works for Adler...
He's a paid staffer..I'm not sure of his role with BlueJersey now.
This is lame, Myers needs to find better things to do with his time than worry about some liberal blog obviously out to get a reaction out of him and waste his time.
They are suceeding very well in distracting from the issues at hand.
No one reads Blue Jersey!
It's home to the pathologically liberal activist.
You want to read nonsense how Shulman is going to beat Garrett and that Chris Christie has it in for Democrats, then go read BlueJersey and it's pathetic editorials and other left-wing lunacy.
Juan Melli even realized how it could not compete with PolitickerNJ and was not taken seriously about real politicos.
Myers should ignore the site like any other reasonable person who doesn't believe their entitled from the cradle to the grave!
Vote Column - All the way!
No Suprise from Pablos3
Thurman Hart speaks with detailed analysis of the situation with details and a first hand knowledge of the terms and experience involved.
Pablos3 speaks in generalities and demonstrates very little understanding of the situation at hand.
"Adler knows he cannot seriously call himself a friend of vets and knows what they have gone through because he himself has never served."
Pablos3 makes a completely erroneous suggestion that Adler cannot be a friend to veterans. Now being a supporter of legislation to improve veterans benefits and consulting with Veterans on how to improve Veterans Affairs is what I consider to be someone who is a friend to Veterans. Someone who opposed the Iraq War from the start because he understood it to be a strategic blunder and the wrong way to show we appreciate the loyalty and dedication of our troops. That's a friend to our troops and a friend of our Veterans.
Or you can consider the type of congressman, Chris Myers would be. Chris Myers who said about the Iraq War, "We need to figure out a way to leave Iraq in a way that makes it look like we've won." That's the only thing you really need to see with these too candidates. A legislator who's committed to improving Veterans benefits in Sen. Adler and a mayor who's priority with our troops is trying to get good PR.
Hey, Dems and Don'ts
No one reads Blue Jersey? Check this out: http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s19njblog
Uh Huh
Andy reading your very lengthly justification for Mr Harts comments leads me to stand by my original comments. Hart makes veiled comments regarding army v navy which you clearly chose to ignore.
Hart opened a can of worms trying to depict the title of "veteran" on those who he and Adler feel are deserving of that title.
Now as far as Adlers' laundry list of "all these wonderful quality of life and legislation he has worked to better those vets, please list them and the actually titles so out of curiousity I can read for myself EXACTLY the legislation, bills, resolutions that Adler himself personally has enacted. If Adler were one in a group to support that is one thing, but most vets we personally know, know better.
It makes one wonder; if Adler is truly a good friend to the Vets and is a supporter of military and defense, how come in all his years as a Senator, HE HAS ONLY THIS YEAR AND THIS YEAR ALONE he finally made it to Fort Dix?????
Whoops, I forgot, it is an election year or why else would he have even bothered?
Pablos3: Professional Straw Man Assasin
It's not an army vs. navy argument. It's an issue of the title "veteran". No one ever claimed Myers isn't a veteran or that Navy service is inferior to Army service. I seriously doubt Thurman Hart especially would do that as he's a Navy veteran himself. What you just did with your fallacious little diatribe is what we rational minds call a straw man argument.
Now, you make a claim that John Adler has never been to Fort Dix before 2008. That is a bold claim, which you did not provide a source or evidence to support. Though judging by your previous arguments lack of evidence doesn't seem to hamper your mercurial rants against John Adler. I ask for merely the basic necessity that you provide us with some basic evidence to support your claim. Which you shouldn't have to be asked to do if you didn't know.
If you want to debate the important issue of Veteran's Affairs please come prepared with some understanding and evidence to support your argument before you hastily throw up your next ridiculous rant.
Nice try
But you have failed to show us exactly Adler has enacted in terms of Veterans affairs and rights and you have not listed one iota. Of course no one should be surprised because there ISNT anything that Adler has done he can point to hisself! And your staunch defense of Hart's claims about who is a vet only shows you trying to justify the error. Oh, and about Adler coming to Fort Dix, how about oh I dunno, Sam Podietz, head of the Jewish War Vets who backs Myers pubically 100% who has mentioned about Adler's finaly visiting the Dix??? Sorry Andy Panda, but I believe Mr Podietz any day over you or any of you Adler apologists. Now, I would be willing to discuss this further with you as soon as you can ennumerte for us the list of all of Adler's bills, legislations, ordinances,etc that you claim he has done to back Vets.
Blue Jersey has no traffic compared to this site.
Where's the traffic and content?
There's no comparison. Ask Melli, he left that sinking ship too...
He ain't that dumb!
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Fair Enough
I thought about responding to some of your claims pablos3 but you still cling to this notion that Hart argues, "who is a vet" when it's blatantly untrue. I called you out on this purposeful misrepresentation of Mr. Hart's position once before and you choose to ignore it. When you deliberately like that, you make everyone suspicious of all your ideas, be they valid or not.
I hope you continue to spend your time blathering on, because as you may already be aware, no one particularly cares for your opinion as you've shown yourself to purposely misrepresent the facts. I hope you continue because this outlet of your derangement is the best possible situation for all of us. There you sit writing persuading no one, yet harming no one. I hope you grow up and cease lying about the smallest of facts so you can enter into a real discourse of ideas.
Round and Round
Andy, again, you can play hit and run all you want!
However, if you really were credible, you would have simply given us a few of those supportative proofs that Adler has "provided and done" for our Vets. let me refresh:
"being a supporter of legislation to improve veterans benefits and consulting with Veterans on how to improve Veterans Affairs is what I consider to be someone who is a friend to Veterans."
This was your quote Andy not mine, so why can you not back up your own quotes with those speciics you posted?
Devil's Advocate Here.
Sailors on both the Kearsarge and the Ashland were awarded the C.A.R.
Although the two ships combined carry more Marines than Sailors, no Marine was awarded the C.A.R.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Rocket_attack_on_USS_Ashland_docked_in_Jorda...
It's the economy stupid!
Hopefully, Chris Russell's prediction that the Myers' campaign will have enough cash to get out his message comes true. However, while it's early in the campaign and voters have not yet begun to tune into the issues, so far I don't see any real strategy coming out of the Myer's campaign. Complaining about bloggers is not only a shear waste of time, but it also demonstrates a campaign that is allowing others to dictate the issues of the day. The fact that a Fraternal Order of Police chapter has endorsed Adler, a cop-killer and pedophile/child-killer sympathizer, is clear evidence that the Myers' campaign is in dire need of direction. It's obvious that the top issue is the economy, but in this district the economy and fighting the war on terrorism are closely related. It will be interesting to see if Myers loses the issue of fighting terrorism, in a district that contains multiple military bases, to Adler at a time when five alleged terrorists will be on trial for trying to kill as many soldiers as possible within the congressional district. Can Myers paint Adler as a terrorist sympathizer? The answer is "Yes." The question however is whether or not anyone in the campaign has the smarts to even dream up the idea, let alone have a clue how to pull it off.
backwardsjersey
He is a paid staffer for whom? Adler? As of July 27, he was posting a blog on Bluejersey.com. So if he is a paid staffer for Adler, the corruption continues in the Adler campaign. There is a clear coordination between the two. Thank you for confirming it. I am sure this will make it easier for Myers to link the two and the FEC will be interested in learning more.
disappointing
I admire Chris Myers and Thurman Hart for their military service, but I condemn the Myers campaign for making this disagreement into a press conference where there is absolutely no substance and only personal invective. Myers put himself in the public eye by calling himself a "decorated combat veteran" and making that the centerpoint of his campaign. Now that someone questions his credentials, he goes faux apoplectic.
One wonders whether the timing of this press conference, where for weeks Myers has had nothing but bad news (no endorsements, a 10-1 fundraising deficit, lukewarm response to call for volunteers) might have something to do with the politics of distraction. Put out some policy statements/positions, and let's have a substantive campaign.
To be nonpartisan for a moment, as someone who has read both Adler's and Myers' proposals for veterans, I am confident that either one would serve veterans' needs quite well and that both understand what the problems are in the VA and with the post-war treatment care of vets overall.
Oh Alice
When someone questions your credentials - or masculinity - you go faux apoplectic. The issue now has gone from someone questioning the distinguished military background of a decorated combat veteran - which is abhorant to say the least - to possible FEC violations by the Adler campaign and clear coordination being conducting by the campaign and the website BlueNJ. The blogger Jay Lassiter as mentioned by backwardsjersey is a "paid staffer" for John Adler's campaign, yet is a regular contributor - as of two days ago -to BlueNJ. I am confident a FEC complaint is in the near future on this one.
If Myers is going to use his Military Experience,
he shouldn't be surprised to have it questioned. If the experience is in bounds as a reference for office, then he should sign his SF180.
If his experience is out of bounds, then he shouldn't use it as a qualification reference.
Still upset
Still upset that Justin got his clock cleaned? At least Duncan Hunter - your hero - pick the winner.
Still upset
Still upset that Justin got his clock cleaned? At least Duncan Hunter - your hero - pick the winner.
Your Comments Don't Change Reality
Myers has to put up or shut up :)
SF 180
Really?
Ok Calpernia, how many days did you serve doing active duty? Leave your family for military training? Go overseas? Live on a ship or submarie or tank defending our Country? Give up weekends every month in the Reservers???
Talk about putting up or shutting up my friend; it is easy for arm chair quarter backs like Adler to say he is friends and supports vets and vets rights, but it is another to actually do the walk - like Adler finally taking that long overdue "walk" to Fort Dix to actually see and observe what a real Base is like.
I am glad Hart put his foot in it because to me it shows they are nervous about Myers using what he has worked for.
Oh, and here is another aside. Vets back each other; dont matter what arm/branch or time/war/ etc. I think Adler showed and is showing his ignorance by not coming out directly hisself and denouncing bluejersey for this not too good judgement.
Good and thorough Blue Jersey article
The author did a fine job at expressing Myers's overstatements. Myers should certainly state that he's a vet and use it to his advantage in connecting with some voters. But he must be accurate and fair about his specific experiences. I see no reason for Adler to denounce that site.
Ok So
A vet is ONLY a Vet if they have had hand to hand combat or as hand limbs etc blow off???
You Adler apologists are only hurting yourselves by trying to "justify" what a vet is.
Bottom line; any person man or woman who has given up of thier time to serve this Country in any of the Armed Forces, whether or not they have actally been in battle is a hero and a vet.
Adler is neither.
Hypocrisy
Does anyone else notice the hypocrisy on the "blog"?
New to me
This issue was news to me as I'm not a Blue Jersey regular. Having said that from the initial back and forth with Adler's spokeperson and Myers, Myers and Hart and then Myers alone, my score is Blue Jersey 1 (free press that might interest some to go and take a gander at the site), Hart 1 (he lays it all all out there -He's a white or black guy on this combat issue and Adler 0 and Myers 0. Adler's team thinks we're crazy-I'm not saying they're coordinating-probably not-but he is sure taking advantage as he should-that's what campaigns are for-But don't wink at us too! and Myers seems kinda whiney to be a veteran, combat or not.
Re: Really?
My military status is not relevant. But Myers is using his as a qualifier for office. Therefore, he does need to sign his SF180 to satisfy questions of it.
I would defend his right to privacy on it if he didn't bring it to the table. But, he did.
Mom
There is a clear difference between taking advantage and coordinating. Adler hired a blogger from BlueNJ, Jay Lassiter, as a campaign staffer. It just so happens that Lassiter, as recently as four days ago, wrote a blog entry on BlueNJ vilifying Chris Myers. This cozy relationship with a group Adler recently called "soldiers" in the fight for the progressive movement reeks of coordination. When did Lassiter become a staffer for Adler which has been reported not only on this thread but in mainstream press reports? If he was hired prior to his July 27 blog, there is an FCC issue related to the equal time rule. So not only could there be a coordination between the two which would violate FEC rules, FCC rules may have also been violated and may trigger the IRS to become involved because of the tax status of Blue Jersey LLC which solicits donation from the public on their website. Not saying it WILL happen, but it clearly can.
for theoc/cowardly lion
Do you have the foggiest clue what you're talking about, cowardly one? First, there's been no FCC violation, and you should question what Boss Paulsen/Layton/Russell tell you instead. The equal time law applies to cable and radio, not blogs:
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/E/htmlE/equaltimeru/equaltimeru.htm
And what on earth was illegal about Adler hiring Jay Lassiter? This isn't Sagnip-gate, you know, where public tax dollars are in question.
While you're making false accusations for which your candidate says even he has "no proof," Adler is on the ground talking to constituents and holding townhall meetings. When's Myers next townhall, or is he still restricting public access to a few dozen fellow Republicans?
What do you care Tinker Bell?
What do you care Tinker Bell? You don't even live in the District. So when he does come to a town near you, tell your partner du jour to pick you up and drive you over. Put don't forget to make sure your bag matches your shoes. You are calling someone else a coward? For the 900th time, you were the corward who refused - yes refused to meet for a simple drink. Were you getting your nails done? Bikini wax? Getting a new purse for your picture? What every your reason, you were too gutless to meet. Now to your libelous comments about Sagnip. Another poster - I think it was a former employer of his - shot down your ridiculous argument by stating that Sagnip was given permission by the Ethics Committee. But if you keep telling a lie, at least you think it may come true right Ms. Wonderland? And as for the hiring of Jay Lassiter, it certainly can be an FEC violation. His work on the site as a paid campaign staffer could be construed not only as an in kind contribution which I am sure was not reported but also violate the tax status of the organization. It is a limited liability company and they have to adhere to certain rules. Keep dreaming Tink, maybe someday you will grow up.
Again, Very Sad
and very disappointing for Adler. CalperinUSA says that his/her status in the military is "irrelevant" and that "Myers is using his time in the service to run for office is wrong," but reading thru the lines it means Calperin has never served
To cry that Myers is using his own time in the service as one criteria for being a supporter or our Country is really funny! How dare Myers even think about using his experience training, working, giving his time and energy to protect our country as a positive thing!
Hey, if I am Adler I would be trying to deflect and rip apart any military issue Myers brings up because Adler knows he has lost chunks of support from vets (JWV) and today reading a few stories online (if anyone is interested I will try to linke em) that basicaly concured that if Myers is supposedly not being honest with his service, then every other person in his capacity is a liar too. I would have more respect for people like Adler if they had the guts to serve this Country before they start pointing fingers and trying to tell voters that Myers was never qualified to earn his kudos because Adler says so. Tell you what, if you all think that Myers should not have received his medals, then prove it with hard, factual information, not a for instance here or a for instance there. I also do not think that he would be representing Lockiheed Martin in his capacity if he had done or had been given something falsely.
Sorry Pablos
But if he didn't want to respond to questions, he shouldn't have brought it to the table.
He did and now he needs to.
Yes
He is a veteran and served this Country and won a medal.
Period Calpernia.
I am glad that adler is making this an issue not Myers because at the end of the day, adler will be shown to be the coward he his striking out at vets.
Trust me, it will happen. Jewish War Vets is a huge block that have turned towards Myers AND by the way, still support him regardless of this issue.
I also heard of another Vet organization that is also coming out in support of Myers, but I am going to research a bit further before it is confirmed, which it will be I am sure.
I
A Request
Pablos3, you speak all the time about the Jewish War Veterans endorsing Chris Myers. For starters, it was my understanding that only the VFW endorses candidates. I searched Myers website and googled Chris Myers and jewish veterans and I couldn't find anything.
Could you please pablos3, produce something that shows that the Jewish Veterans endorse candidates?
Could you please pablos3, produce something showing that the Jewish Veterans organization supports Chris Myers?
You say, "I am glad that adler is making this an issue not Myers"
Myers has released 0 press releases on this issue and has declined to get involved. Myers frequently brings this issue up and has numerous press releases.
Could you please pablos3, produce an instance where John Adler made this issue, other than some convulated speculation on how the entire blogosphere works for him.
Clarification
I meant to say in my second to last paragraph
"Adler has released 0 press releases on this issue and has declined to get involved. Myers frequently brings this issue up and has numerous press releases."
Andy
Tell you what - I asked you a few days ago to back up your claims and let me repost here
"being a supporter of legislation to improve veterans benefits and consulting with Veterans on how to improve Veterans Affairs is what I consider to be someone who is a friend to Veterans."
which is what you quoted a few days ago.
So I would like to know if you have the honesty to do so, what and where did adler help enact such legislation? When did adler work with the VA to get better quality of life??
Can you back that up??
Oh and at least I have the guts to back up my claims Andy. as far as the JWV go, Sam Podeitz who is the President of the Org is a Republican and at seperate events has said that he and his group support Myers.
Ok Andy, your turn.
Sam Podeitz is not the
Sam Podeitz is not the President of the JWV or even a Department Officer. He is just a local officer. The JWV has not endorsed Chris Myers. The JWV does not endorse any candidates as a group. Do not confuse one local officer's feelings with the feeling of the group as a whole.
The VFW, the only group who publicly endorses candidates, has not endorsed Chris Myers.
Looks like Pablo lost her period
:)
Of course I can back that up
S1555 "New Jersey G.I. Bill"; provides higher education benefits to New Jersey veterans.
SCR16 Extends eligibility for veterans' property tax deduction to veterans who did not serve during time of war or other emergency.
SCR108 Proposes constitutional amendment to permit disabled veterans who served in U.S. Armed Forces at any time to receive civil service preference.
John Adler was a sponsor of all those bills.
Now, I backed up my point because I was speaking the truth. Numerous people have told you over and over again that the Jewish Veterans as an organization do not publically endorse candidates. Your response over and over again is that one official in the group likes Myers. Respond to what we are saying. I don't really know how you will because there is no such evidence of the Jewish Veterans organization endorsing Myers.
You forgot one
You forgot one:
S9 (2007) which would eliminate the teaching of the meaning of Veterans Day and Memorial Day to our children and the sacrifices our veterans made so that you could spout your crap. However, it does not end the requirement that little Johnny be taught that Sally has two mommies. Hell, John Boy even has something against the meaning of Thanksgiving being taught in school. What's next? Requiring all parents to tell their children that Santa Claus isn't real?
mixing it up
Jeez, theoc/cowardly lion always speaks his mind, doesn't he? That's why his misogynistic and homophobic views (gay parents? heaven forbid!) are always so transparent.
Adler has been a friend to veterans, as Andy provided three bills sponsored by him that directly assists educational aspirations and financial savings for veterans. The bill that theoc/the coward mentioned merely stated that the state wouldn't mandate what holidays were to be taught, only that localities were left with making decisions on how to implement holiday teaching.
And, of course, there are no organizational endorsements thus far for Myers, a stunning blow to his flailing campaign. Zero, Zilch, None.
No Endorsements?
Chris Myers has no endorsements? Why doesn't the Burlington County Times or Atlantic City Press tell me these things.
I'm really trying to keep an open mind on this race but I'm having a hard time figuring out what Chris Myers cares about other than his own veteran status. Saxton has done a good job for this district but Chris Myers is no Jim Saxton.
At least John Adler is offering me solutions to fix our economy, end foreign oil dependence, and to properly take care of our veterans who served our country.
And he seems to actually connect with voters. Look at all of his endorsements, especially from groups that loved Saxton.
Typical Misrepresentation from The oc
Instead of quoting the resolution to inform this discussion, the oc just makes up the content of the resolution by saying it would "eliminate the teaching of the meaning of Veterans Day and Memorial Day to our children". Which is blatantly untrue. The resolution ends the state mandating to all the local school districts how they teach them about Veterans and the history of these holidays.
Adler understands state must mandate benefits for the brave Veterans who serve their country. That's a real Veterans issue! Adler understands the state need not go bogged down mandating how the local schools teach about those holidays. He was always very clear that schools should teach such things, but it shouldn't be in the state's hands to determine how.
You would think conservatives would admire him opposing Government intrusion in this regard. But I suppose rage is blind.
Clarification on S9 2007
Just trying to make sure I understand this, S9 does not ban the teaching of Veterans Day and Memorial Day. It just ends the requirement of the teaching, right? Towns are then allowed to choose how they want to go about thanking their veterans.
I read over the bill, and it sure seems like it gives everyone a choice. Sounds fine to me.
Alice in Wonderland and her friends
Oh Alice - you can't continue to deny that you were the gutless one can you? What am I being a coward about if you were the one who refused to meet me? Additionally, don't you even know the story of the Lion? Umm - he really had courage. So continue to call me that. Just shows how clueless you are about life. But I have continually asked you, what were you doing that was so important that you couldn't meet me? I have looked it up from past posts. You were afraid something bad was going to happen to you is what you said. I definitely wasn't going to kiss you so what was it? I am sure you were looking through the Coach catalog looking for your next purse or waiting for your toe nails to dry? Doesn't matter. You lacked the testicular fortitude to meet for a beer - or Zima in your case - not me. And for the last time, I am not homophobic. I am not afraid of gay people. I am certainly not afraid of you. I was willing to meet you wasn't I?
Now as for S9, if the provision for which I mentioned was so innocuous, why did every veterans organization and Catholic organization oppose the bill? Additionally, if the section of the bill was so innocent, why did the Governor remove it from the bill when signing it into law? The bill ended the requirement that our children in our state be taught the significance of the days commemorating our Nation's veterans among other things - period. Heaven forbid, a school teacher in this state be required to instruct Jimmy and Joannie what the generations before him or her needed to go through to ensure that Tinker Bell (aka Martian) could continue to buy purses and flaunt it in public. Are the teachers too burdened by their long days from 8-3:30? Or are there not enough school days in the year? Should we shorten their 2 1/2 month long Summer vacation by a day so that something that apparently has little importance to John Adler and the rest of his liberal cronies can be taught to instill an appreciation in our children about the sacrifices that others have made on our behalf? You guys can continue to say that it only says that towns can still choose to teach about those days if they want, however, you are being either naive or ignorant if you think it will continue should this legislation have taken affect. The language guts the 1967 law which is designed to promote "the development of a higher spirit of patriotism."
Don't believe me? How about these people from an AP article?
For World War II veteran Sam Stia, a legislative proposal that would cease requiring New Jersey schools to teach about Veterans Day and Memorial Day can be summed up in two words. "That's wrong," Stia, 83, said Thursday from his Hamilton home, where he flies an American flag at half-staff to honor fallen soldiers. "We're just giving our flag away and our patriotism away." New Jersey American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars groups have asked Gov. Jon S. Corzine to veto the bill so schools still have to teach about Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
"It's not right. They're not going to know the sacrifices that were made so they can enjoy the protections that they have," said Hank Adams, New Jersey VFW adjutant and an Army and Coast Guard veteran.
"If it wasn't for veterans, we wouldn't have been able to maintain the freedoms the Constitution provided to us," said (Ray)Zawacki, a Vietnam War Navy veteran and department adjutant for the American Legion of New Jersey.
Why did Adler do this? According to the article it was to save on property taxes? Are you freaking kidding me? There are no other ways to save on property taxes than eliminating the need to teach our kids about these important holidays? The only bigger joke here is you guys trying to defend thi
Alice in Wonderland and her friends
Oh Alice - you can't continue to deny that you were the gutless one can you? What am I being a coward about if you were the one who refused to meet me? Additionally, don't you even know the story of the Lion? Umm - he really had courage. So continue to call me that. Just shows how clueless you are about life. But I have continually asked you, what were you doing that was so important that you couldn't meet me? I have looked it up from past posts. You were afraid something bad was going to happen to you is what you said. I definitely wasn't going to kiss you so what was it? I am sure you were looking through the Coach catalog looking for your next purse or waiting for your toe nails to dry? Doesn't matter. You lacked the testicular fortitude to meet for a beer - or Zima in your case - not me. And for the last time, I am not homophobic. I am not afraid of gay people. I am certainly not afraid of you. I was willing to meet you wasn't I?
Now as for S9, if the provision for which I mentioned was so innocuous, why did every veterans organization and Catholic organization oppose the bill? Additionally, if the section of the bill was so innocent, why did the Governor remove it from the bill when signing it into law? The bill ended the requirement that our children in our state be taught the significance of the days commemorating our Nation's veterans among other things - period. Heaven forbid, a school teacher in this state be required to instruct Jimmy and Joannie what the generations before him or her needed to go through to ensure that Tinker Bell (aka Martian) could continue to buy purses and flaunt it in public. Are the teachers too burdened by their long days from 8-3:30? Or are there not enough school days in the year? Should we shorten their 2 1/2 month long Summer vacation by a day so that something that apparently has little importance to John Adler and the rest of his liberal cronies can be taught to instill an appreciation in our children about the sacrifices that others have made on our behalf? You guys can continue to say that it only says that towns can still choose to teach about those days if they want, however, you are being either naive or ignorant if you think it will continue should this legislation have taken affect. The language guts the 1967 law which is designed to promote "the development of a higher spirit of patriotism."
Don't believe me? How about these people from an AP article?
For World War II veteran Sam Stia, a legislative proposal that would cease requiring New Jersey schools to teach about Veterans Day and Memorial Day can be summed up in two words. "That's wrong," Stia, 83, said Thursday from his Hamilton home, where he flies an American flag at half-staff to honor fallen soldiers. "We're just giving our flag away and our patriotism away." New Jersey American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars groups have asked Gov. Jon S. Corzine to veto the bill so schools still have to teach about Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
"It's not right. They're not going to know the sacrifices that were made so they can enjoy the protections that they have," said Hank Adams, New Jersey VFW adjutant and an Army and Coast Guard veteran.
"If it wasn't for veterans, we wouldn't have been able to maintain the freedoms the Constitution provided to us," said (Ray)Zawacki, a Vietnam War Navy veteran and department adjutant for the American Legion of New Jersey.
Why did Adler do this? According to the article it was to save on property taxes? Are you freaking kidding me? There are no other ways to save on property taxes than eliminating the need to teach our kids about these important holidays? The only bigger joke here is you guys trying to defend this