Karcher v. Beck

By Debbie Holtz | September 28th, 2007 - 9:28am
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Ethics and accountability seem to be the hot topics for the week.

In the spirit of things, I took a look at some of the recent ethics coverage by the NJ print media.

Not surprisingly, Karcher versus Beck got a fair share of ink.  In general, State Senator Ellen Karcher led the stories with the signing of her four-bill package to clean up government.  The centerpiece of the reforms is a measure banning dual office holding by legislators – future legislators, that is. 

Karcher's Senate opponent, Jennifer Beck, was none too shy to lament how the new law was a half measure and amounted to little more than "bumper sticker-legislation" (Daily Record, 9/4/07). In harsher criticism published in the Star Ledger (9/5/07), Beck called the dual office holding bill "ludicrous."

Question we would have liked a reporter to ask Assemblywoman Beck: Why did you vote for the “ludicrous, bumper sticker-half measure”?

Only the Gannett State Bureau thought that was an important fact to note.

How about PoliticsNJ?

Your own media outlet has two reporters. One of them should pick up a phone and do some reporting, maybe asking the question you asked.

They could also do a little analysis of the relative merits of the ethics accusations flying from both camps instead of just reporting them as if they were of equal weight.

I think it would be wise...

to ask Senator Karcher why she limited her legislation to only ban future dual office holders.

Eric

A few reasons, some pragmatic and some good government.

The pragmatic reason is that it would be much harder to pass the complete ban since there are so many dual office holders whose votes she needed. Kicking them out of office was not a good way to get the ban passed.

The good government reason is that those people were nominated by their parties and elected by the voters, and both the party and the voters knew they were electing a dual office holder. Many people think that removing these people from office by legislative fiat would be an overturning of elections, and that the legislature has no place doing that.

That said, I think they should have made it effective for everyone. These are just two reasons I can think of to grandfather.

I'm confused

Is she blaming Beck for voting "yes" on a dual office holding ban? Any one with ANY poltical sense knows that you can not afford to vote against such a bill....even a bad one. If you did you would immediately become the legislator who is against dual office holding. It doesn't matter how often you try explain WHY you voted that way, you'll end up just shouting into the wind,

Beowulf

She's rightly pointing out that, if Beck thought the bill was so "ludicrous" she should have stood on her principle and voted against it. Beck is holding Karcher to this ideal that, if you can't get a complete ban, it's not worth doing, so if it's not okay for Karcher to support the bill, why is it okay for Beck to lob grenades and then vote for the darn thing, anyway?

David Della Donna-Turns himself in

David Della Donna-Turns himself in

This is not the first time....

that Beck has spoken out of both sides of her, er, mouth. She ASKED to be included as a sponsor on that bill and then bashes Mike Panter for the content.She's a hypocrite of the first degree. She talks ethics, and then uses legislative stationery for campaign purposes. People thinks that not worth mentioning because its so small, but does that make it OK? What was pointed out with this dual office ban is that there are 17 members with dual offices...if this ban was enacted when it was first proposed 3-1/2 years ago, that number would have been cut in half. So, while it does nothing to stop the ones that hold dual offices now, down the road, it will effectively stop that practice. At least you can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Beck needs to crawl back under her rock and stay there.

It would be wise to ask

Of course, it would be wise to ask why Karcher did not sponsor a bill without a grandfather provision.  And in fact, that question was asked and answered: Karcher told reporters she had previously sponsored such a measure that never went anywhere.  So I guess Beck actually agrees with Karcher that three-quarters of a loaf is better than no loaf at all, despite her rhetoric.

Its Simple...

The party in power - in this case the Democrats - have no interest in legitimate ethics reform. They'd have to kick out folks like indicted Senators Wayne Bryant and Sharpe James. They're going to need those votes to pass gas taxes and toll hikes in the lame duck. If Karcher had proposed meaningful ethics bills, the party bosses and special interests wouldn't bankroll her re-election campaign. This is the perfect set up. Now she can pretend she's fighting to clean things up and the Dems can continue to abuse the system.

Beck: the great pretender

Monmouth county was awash in corruption and scandal. Karcher was threatened and harrassed by Republicans and Democrats, and worked with the US attorney to put them in jail. She took on powerful Democratic bosses to win her seat. Pretending? Name one elected official who has risked more or done more to end the corrupt culture. It certainly isn't Beck. She has been part of the corrupt system for decades. She worked in an Assembly office and then cashed in as a lobbyist. Beck has been abusing us for years and never had the courage to stand up against Monmouth county corruption.  She found religion when she decided to run for office.  She is the great pretender.

Monmouth county is awash in corruption

Beck did stand up to Monmouth county's corrupt culture and cronies. Some of them found religion when they decided to hold office with the State. Beck ran for office because she saw that at a county level nothing could be done within "that old boys club". Now she is experiencing the effects of "the old boys club" at a state level. IMO no one has stood up to really fight corruption in NJ. Karcher wearing a wire does not make her a hero. FBI informants that wear wires are not labeled heros as far as I have seen. Corruption does not stop with legislating new laws if the laws are not enforced in the State. If anything, it seems the state tried to sabotage the FBI's investigations into Monmouth county's corruption. With NJ judges appointed by the polls with no public say, who enjoy complete immunity, combined with an ethics board appointed by lawyers with political influence who police themselves, NJ constituents are at the mercy of a self serving government where constitutional rights of the public has no meaning at all. So all you polls can continue with your ad campaigns of "pay to play" slogans, it won't stop corruption in NJ, it will only be done in the closet- just like our previous governor.

Well Nemo...

I doubt you would wear a wire and have your life threatened because you stood up to corruption. Geez, you can't even use your real name when you post, let alone do something as courageous as that. Yes, very brave post without using your name.

Little Nemo

Beck never stood up to the Monmouth Republican bosses. She even endorsed the fee that candidates must pay to run for office which stinks of elitism and illegality.  Clearly this poll tax indicates one's willingness to lie and distort the truth in pursuit of the old boy agenda.  Karcher has called for an end to the back room deals to appoint judges and prosecutors. Beck has been silent and continues to bend over for the good old boys.

Karcher went to the US Attorney. She actively fought back against criminals who threatened her and her family. These corrupt characters have been arrested for bribery, extortion, and illegal guns. Karcher's courage in fighting corruption is unmatched in Monmouth County and the state. 

well ambrosiajr

You want to know my name?, I'm flattered, really I am.
Thank you for that, you made me smile this morning.

Little Nemo, aren't you the guy from Slumberland?

Or are you the fish that went down the drain?

Poho's Little Nemo

interesting analogy poho.. :)

I really don't care...

what your name is Nemo...just pointing out how you dismiss someone who had their life threatened for doing something courageous, and you can't even use your real name with something as banal as your posts. Please don't feel flattered, unless you feel flattered that someone just called you a coward. Sad, really.

Sad really

Frankly, the whole Karcher hero story is a lot of tactical promotional bull for the corrupt IMO, oddly similar to your posts anbrosiajr.

Are you suggesting,

Little Nemo, that candidates should not promote their records and accomplishments? Perhaps you're sore because Karcher's opponent has no record of accomplishment. Beck has done nothing but whine and complain for years.  Beck gets nothing done because she is a shrill self promoter who can't be trusted. Karcher's record of courage is clear and unassailable. Maybe someone can get you the names and addresses of the inmates in federal prison who threatened to harm her and her family and you can send them some nice care packages.    

Care packages..

Frankly I'm not sore at either party dem or rep. I feel that both party agendas are skirting the real issues that can change corruption in NJ . Karcher's approach to "fighting corruption" doesn't even come close to resolving the political corruption underground in NJ, and the "I wore the wire" Karcher slogan doesn't hold much water for me while political cronyism in the State remains rampant.
The real cowards are the politicians of this state who's policy is to "keep all control out of the public's hand".
Ethical, judicial, political, and constitutional rights violations are all too common in the state. You can legislate the guillotine in NJ for polls who break the law, but with the system we have in place, none of them will ever see it by the hands of the state attorney general, the courts or the supreme court. So US Attorney General Christie is on a mission to clean up NJ, to the dismay of all state officials. What a surprise.

As far as care packages are involved, I will gladly send them to all the future political inmates who are destined to reside there.

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