September 28, 2009 - 8:28am
OP/ED

Uncivil Unrest!

 The End Justifies the Reed. 

Assemblywoman Alison McHose and Assemblyman Mike Doherty are sponsors of ACR-120, which places the question of same-sex marriage before the voters of New Jersey.  If we are to change the definition of marriage, they ask, shouldn’t the voters decide? 

There’s a very practical reason for seeking to settle this debate, one way or the other, and then making it part of the state constitution.  Any law enacted by the Legislature can be undone by a future Legislature.  If New Jersey adopted same-sex marriage – and then revoked it just a few years later – what would happen to the legal status of those same-sex couples who had used the law?   

A constitutional amendment, approved by the voters, would provide a far more permanent legal settlement – one way or the other.  A vote by the people of this state would lead both sides to accept the legitimacy of the outcome.  And there is no reason why, given the current polling numbers, that supporters of same-sex marriage should fear taking their issue to the voters.  While it isn’t a sure thing, it has at least as good a chance of passage as an amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman. 

Instead of letting the people decide, some supporters of same-sex marriage want to use the lame-duck session, after November, to ensure passage of same-sex marriage.  We all know the shenanigans that go on in lame-duck sessions.  Legal bribes of six-figure appointments will float around.  Some will be the subjected to a kind of blackmail. They’ll argue it’s all for a good cause.  But can any cause be good that undermines the peoples’ confidence in the process? 

There’s a reason people like sports and don’t like politics. In sports, there are rules.  That’s why fans on both sides accept the outcomes.  Imagine if one side got to promise a player on the other side a big income after he retired, in return for throwing the game.  Would the fans accept it?  Or would they turn-off and not bother participating? How you play the game is as important as getting the win. 

Alison McHose and Mike Doherty want to by-pass the lame-duck session, so that the voters of New Jersey can have the opportunity to vote to uphold traditional marriage or adopt same-sex marriage, next year.  That makes them democratic – with a small “d”. Assemblyman Reed Gusciora, a Democrat of the big “D” variety, the only openly gay member of the legislature, a supporter of same-sex marriage and sponsor of the bill to allow it, posted a very nasty attack on his Facebook page over the weekend.  He wrote: “Alison McHose and Mike Doherty will be going to church on Sunday and on Monday in Trenton join the haters to blame gays for the fragility of their marriages. 

Gee, Reed, who is practicing hate speech with that comment? Now maybe the Legislature has changed some since I left it, but I don’t remember my colleagues ever making public pronouncements about other members’ marriages back then.  If they had, someone in leadership would have asked to see them, to have a discussion about decorum. 

But there’s a bigger issue here.  There is a counterpoint to the same sex marriage debate.  That is the argument to open the issue to a vote by the people of New Jersey and support the respective Assembly and Senate Resolutions to place this question on the ballot.   Do Assemblyman Gusciora and his supporters really think that democracy is hateful?  Is the fact that Assemblywoman McHose and Assemblyman and Senator-elect Doherty want to give people a direct say repulsive to Mr. Gusciora and his supporters?  Are you a hater because you want the people to have a vote on an important issue that will fundamentally change their society?  If so, doesn’t that make a societal change being rammed down your throat a type of paternalistic authoritarianism kind of love? 

Assemblyman Gusciora evidently feels strongly about his position, but, not in any civil manner.  Does he think that what he believes to be a good can be achieved through nasty words and backroom politics?  Can we use bad to achieve good? 

I remember he had something to say in this regard in reference to the policies of former President George W. Bush.   Mr. Gusciora needs a course in civility and democratic processes. Assemblywoman McHose was quick to defend her Democrat colleague, saying that he was “a little emotional” about this issue.  She calls him her friend. 

Thankfully, I don’t have to be as gracious. 

No matter how strongly you feel for or against same sex marriage, would someone please tell me what the problem is in giving the people the ability to vote to change their constitution? 

Richard J. LaRossa can be reached via email at sendl1@verizon.net.

Comments

"No matter how strongly you


"No matter how strongly you feel for or against same sex marriage, would someone please tell me what the problem is in giving the people the ability to vote to change their constitution? "...Seriously??? My problem is having the majority vote on people's Civil Rights. We did not vote on racial equality in the 60's, or the abolition of slavery...why is it appropriate in this case?

09/28/09 11:07 am

People should not be voting


People should not be voting on issues related to equal protection and the 14th amendment.

No one cares what the religious definition of marriage is. That will never change. No church will ever be forced to recognize a marriage that was not done in accordance with their traditions. This is how the Catholic church operates right now. (I'm sure, as is always the case, the right bribe/donation to the priest can change that)

The issue at hand is the "legal" definition of marriage. In a legal sense, two consenting adults should be able to enjoy the same contractual marital rights regardless of their sex. From a legal standpoint, voters should not be allowed to vote to discriminate. If you want to change the word and call it a civil union, fine. Do it. Currently the legal definition of marriage is really nothing more than a civil union between two people.

Sometimes the majority is wrong. In many states, the majority would have voted to uphold segragation and slavery and would have voted to prevent a woman's right to vote.

Reed was a little over the top but his comments have a valid point. It is idiotic to think that giving gays the same marital rights under the legal definition of marriage will in any way threaten heterosexual marriages. We need look no further to recent history to tell us that society is doing a good job of destroying these marriages without the help of same sex equality.

It is ironic that some of the same religious "conservatives" making this their rallying cry have marriages that have fallen apart. You can't help but laugh.

The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. (Quote - Barry Goldwater)

And Dick, on an unrelated issue, are you aware that there is no such thing as a Democrat Party? The legal and historical name of the party has always been the Democratic Party. Your continued incorrect usage is childish and diminishes any reasonable point of view you might have. I see you love the national party so much so you might want to check this link out http://www.usatoday.com/money/topstories/2008-08-26-856813040_x.htm

09/28/09 12:17 pm

Oh yeah


Reed verbally or in writing "attacking" a fellow legislator has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they have family serving in the military. In politics the verbiage is often tough. It doesn't mean that we should not be able to get tough on someone (so long as it is not attacking the service member) just because they have family serving. That is ludicrous.

09/28/09 12:24 pm

nj_pol


LaRossa correctly referred to an individual Member of the party you mentioned as a Democrat.  Really, though, nobody cares about that.  The starker truth is ... whatever you want to call that party - its current path will hopefully lead it out of existence.  Leftists scream their heads off about how the Republican party is allegedly being taken over by the 'vast right-wing conspiracy", but seldom do you hear a mention of how the left-wing has already co-opted the (Demo-whatever you want to call them) party, and is attempting to ram their anti-capitalist, free-loving 60's radicalism, Marxism, and various other -isms down the throat of the rest of the country.  And when, to their shock, the majority of the country rejects their long ago debunked style of existence, they reply with rants of hate monger, sexist, racist, homophobe, etc.  And, to further prove my point, no doubt this post will elicit some of that specially reserved vitriol.  Happy Venting!

09/28/09 2:22 pm

Try again and easy on the


Try again and easy on the dramatics. The fact is that a proper noun is a matter of self identification. And no one is ramming anything down anyone's throat. You may have been asleep on election day but Obama and the Democratic Party the election rather convincingly. You can pretend that the country is outraged by filling up town hall meetings with Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck supporters but this phony grassroots movement is not indicative of the electorate.

09/28/09 5:35 pm

Reed Gusciora...


The guy squats in taxpayer subsidized affordable housing in Princeton even though he has multiple government jobs and is a lawyer. If he moved, mabybe someone who needs the housing could get it and towns wouldn't have to build more of it, like Reed voted to mandate on every town. That said... Did LaLoser really say: "We all know the shenanigans that go on in lame-duck sessions. Legal bribes of six-figure appointments will float around." He had some dicey votes in his lame duck and wound up with ajoke job from Whitman at a cheesey state commission. On that score, he knows what he talks about. But then, this time Corzine will be on his way out and will have nothing to offer.

09/29/09 7:10 am

nj


It was a resounding Obama victory, wasn't it?  He faced a mushy moderate who belonged to the party of an outgoing president with a popularity rating around 20%.  He managed 53% of the vote - resounding, indeed!  Amazingly, 47% of the country didn't want him, and now that everyone is starting to find out what hope and change is all about, I'd bet that at least 3% more wouldn't buy that clunker again.  Mickey Mouse should have been able to beat whatever Republican candidate that was put forward, as long as the Mouse ran as a Democrat!  (or should I have said Democratic)  I guess we'll see in 2010 if the backlash is real.  We'll find out if people listen to Rush and Glenn Beck because they actually make sense and resonate with 'middle' America or if their popularity is only 'astroturf' deep.

09/29/09 9:21 am

We are a Republic, not a Democracy


What is a Republic? An explanation of the various forms of government, and why America is not a democracy. This video explains how We are a country of laws, issues should not be decided by voters but by law.

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09/29/09 11:01 am

Democrat Democrat Democrat


NJpolitics2008, stop trying to make "Democratic" happen. It is not going to happen.

Been hearing the same stupid "it is Democratic" arguement for years on here now.

Do you fire off the same angry missive to Chris Matthews,Keith Olbermann and George Stephanopolis? If you do, they aren't listening either because they say democrat and democrats every effing day on national television, you fop!

09/29/09 2:13 pm

resurrectingreagan - I'd


resurrectingreagan -

I'd suggest you read some histoy but based on your screenname, that probably escapes you.  Say it loud and clear - The Democratic Party.  Does it actually hurt your brain to afford the party the respect of calling them by the proper/legal name.  And spare me with the Matthews, Olberman, etc...  It is obviosu from your posts that you neglect to analyze other peoples' points of view.

But I get, it is cute to say Democrat party - giggle, giggle.  Knock yourself out.  Your the one that sounds like an ignorant bufoon.

09/29/09 2:37 pm

RightForNJ - I like how the


RightForNJ -

I like how the GOP is claiming 2010 will be vindication. Of course they will ignore the fact that the Presidents party always loses seats in the midterms (Except Bush in the 1st election after 9/11). Everyone knows that Dem's who won in tradtional GOP districts on the coattails of Obama will often lose there seats when the President is not at the top of the ticket. Look to 2012 when Obama gets releected by whatever dope the GOP puts forth.

09/29/09 2:40 pm

now I understand, NJ politics2008


you are an english professor who, rather than sitting pretty with a cushy fellowship in some Ivy League institution is stuck doing adjunct work in a state college where no one from the Dean  down to the students give a flying flip about your pontifications on Democrat verses Democratic.

09/29/09 3:10 pm

As usual we see Dickie


As usual we see Dickie LaDoodoo carrying sewage for the extreme rightwing fringe of the GOP. Mike Doherty was rejected by his own party's leadership for State Senate and won the primary by a smidgeon because he was lucky enough to run on the same line with Steve Lonegan in the only part of the state whre Lonegan was able to beat Christie (though Doherty got fewer votes in his district than Lonegan).

At least Reed Gusciora is respected and re-elected by his own constituents, something which former State Senator Dickie La Doodoo is totally unfamiliar with.

http://christiegonewild.blogspot.com/

09/29/09 4:12 pm

NJPolitics2008


I consider myself pretty well-educated and have voted for "Democrats" as much as "Republicans" and it does get confusing at times because, depending on context, the use of "Democrat" at times is appropriate even though the formal name of the Party is "Democratic". Of course Republicans use the same word in descriptive contexts as they do in a formal context so it isn't as confusing.

It really is unimportant if "Democrat" and "Democratic" are used interchangeably. It seems to me one is as good as the other depending on the context.

Dick (the former state bureaucrat whose job was to pick balls for the state lottery) LaRossa is a bigoted rightwing idiot whose pathetic attempts to reresurrect his failed political career will be as successful as Chris "Crash" Christie becoming a spokesman for AAA.

http://christiegonewild.blogspot.com/

09/29/09 4:28 pm

Reed got Joey to attack


Reed got Joey to attack McHose because she called Joey out on his non-profit deal. He got over a million from the state and never filed with consumer protection. Guess he’s still pissed.

Reed got Rosi over at BlueJersey to attack too. She ran Joey’s group. Guess she’s pissed too.

Next Reed will write on FaceBook that McHose is a poo-poo. Poor little Reed. He’s pissed too.

09/29/09 5:57 pm

FanovFlorio is Reed


So it is cool that Reed respects himself, but he kind of needs to start respecting others too. Time to grow up and leave the school yard.

09/29/09 6:00 pm

"Time to grow up and leave


"Time to grow up and leave the school yard."

When someone dumps raw sewage on the school yard I call it for what it is.

Reed does a great job in Trenton and deserves the support he gets from his consituents, unlike a certain former State Senator from Mercer County who was dumped as soon as his constituents caught on to his shtick.

http://christiegonewild.blogspot.com/

09/29/09 8:47 pm

resurrectingreagan Well, it


resurrectingreagan

Well, it is only a debate in the Rush Limbaugh/LaRossa circles. Most people know I am correct.

Fanofflorio -

Of course it is appropriate some times to use Democrat without the 'ic. But the Mickey Mouse usage by people like LaRossa/Limbaugh do it because it annoys Democrats. Well, it doesn't really annoy me (I am not a Democrat). What annoys me is that instead of trying to make valid points people try to play silly games and be childish rather than use the appropriate terminology.

I mean, even Bill Buckley criticizes the comic book conservatives for being this childish and not using the 'ic. (I stole comic book conservatives from another conservative columnists)

09/29/09 11:12 pm

Reed's talking about himself again


Yeah Reed we know you are your favorite person. Mirror, mirror.

Seriously Reed, do you get off on personal attacks on fellow members?

Someone looks at you cross-eyed and you go all squiggy.

09/29/09 11:46 pm

Reed Respected?


Best laugh I've had in a long time. Maybe by his lover, but not anyone else. The only thing you can respect about his is that he admits what he is.

On the other hand, poll the members of his own party. He is the biggest joke in the Assembly and that is as far as he will ever go. He is the toothless pit bull..

All bark, no bite.

09/30/09 7:10 pm

Let the people vote


Slavery was abolished and women were given the right to vote by amending the Constitution.  These votes were cast by non-slaves and men.  The amendments passed because they were righteous.  If the supporters of homosexual marriage want this so-called "right", they should insist on amending our Constitution.  Anything less would be a sham.

10/15/09 1:02 pm