Lonegan objects to League of Women voters debate sponsorship
GOP gubernatorial candidate Steve Lonegan says the League of Women Voters is a left-wing political lobby and he objects to their sponsorship of a primary debate.

Lonegan objects to League of Women voters debate sponsorship

By Editor | April 3rd, 2009 - 11:42am
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Former Bogota Mayor Steve Lonegan says that the League of Women Voters is a "left-wing political lobby that advocates a variety of positions far outside the Republican Party mainstream" and he objects to the group sponsoring one of two official debates before the Republican gubernatorial primary.

The League of Women Voters of New Jersey, along with the ABC-TV affiliates in New York and Philadelphia, has applied to sponsor one of the debates.  State law requires candidates who received public financing to participate in two debates sanctioned by the New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission.

In a letter sent to ELEC today, Lonegan said that the NJLWV has been "a plaintiff in the controversial Abbott and Mount Laurel cases, leading the fight to pass a state income tax and opposing my own position twice in two Debt Limitation cases that went to the Supreme Court, the League's agenda mirrors Governor Corzine's."

"The LWVNJ is not an appropriate group to sponsor a Republican primary debate," Lonegan wrote, saying that the organization takes "radical positions" on issues like opposition to capital punishment and school vouchers, their support of a progressive income tax and state control of local zoning, and backing unrestricted abortions.

When he ran for Governor in 2005, Lonegan says he also objected to the LWVNJ debate sponsorship.

"When ELEC ruled that the LWVNJ was to moderate, I had no choice but to participate," Lonegan wrote, noting that he was one of seven candidates in that race.  "But this year, I am one of two.  The debate cannot occur without my presence.  My opponent, Mr. Christie claims to be a conservative like me and I hope he will back up his rhetoric with action and join me in my objection to the LWVNJ's participation."

Eye on the Ball

Good to see the Lonegan campaign is focusing on the important issues. See you in the funny pages Steve.

Ouch.

This kind of talk doesn't serve a purpose. A few days ago I got an email from Lonegan's campaign saying that the teacher's union was "the enemy." Now it's the LWV. How do conservatives convince people to take us seriously when Steve drives people away like this?
I serve on my local school board, and we (sometimes) disagree in private, but we are always courteous and professional in public. This kind of negative talk simply hurts the movement Steve wants to represent.

Lonegan is focused....

On not allowing an extreme liberal advocacy group to determine the questions and moderate a debate between two people that they and their membership have no intention of voting for and will in fact work to defeat in November.

Same post as before, I would no more expect conservatives to debate in front of this group then I would expect liberals in their primary to go before the NRA.

Hey willmonk, a School Board

Hey willmonk, a School Board discussion is not a private affair. You are doing the business of the public and backroom discussions and hiding this from the public is not what you are supposed to be doing. Private businesses can operate that way but not a School Board.

Every government body

Every government body is required by law to discuss some matters in private. The issue here is courtesy. No one can deliberately insult others and expect to be elected to an office as serious as governor.

Insults

Sometimes there is no nice way to tell someone something or tell someone something about a groups of someones.

The teacher's unions are keeping our kids from learning. THEY $%^& STINK! They are incompetant and for the most part could care less about the education system and only care about their own job security for a lousy job at that.

They need to go, and there is no "nice" way to say it.

I thought this was an April Fools' joke.

So, Steve "Lispy" Lonegan won't take questions posed by moderators that MIGHT HOLD POLITICAL POSITIONS to the left of Steve's perception of 'Republican' positions?

What?

First of all, since when is Lonegan a Republican? Isn't Lonegan the same clown REFUSING to compete for the GOP line? But now he is offended by taking questions from someone who isn't a Republican? Now he is running scared refusing to even debate the Republican front-runner?

Lispy won't even respond to questions from the very same voters he will have to 'win over' to win in November? April Fools, right? RIGHT?!?!

So, Steve, you and your neckbearded supporters are a disgrace. You are all clearly tools of the Democrats. You take OUR tax dollars and run negative radio ads attacking Christie. All the while refusing to stand and face him. Disgraceful.

I am sure Corzine will appoint you to something nice in November. Sellout.

Above post illustrates the Christie campaign's panic.

Unable to attack Lonegan's record or where he stands, they devolve into silly personal attacks.

Behind the Christie bravado is a campaign in total panic. If you think the personal attacks against Lonegan are bad on April 3, wait til May 3 or May 30th.

On to victory.

Shaftan=Worst of Worst

Prersonal attacks--how dare you. Your campaign and YOUR campaign ALONE have sent out: negative mailers,negative radio pieces, negative robo calls, sent out negative e-mails, had pure nuts like Rich LaRossa and Seth Grossman spreading lies and distortions. How about you disclose how much $$$ the Democrats are paying you? A nice law suit is heading your way shortly. You are not in Bogota where no one cares how much you lie and distort. You should have kept the last 2 campaign managers happy---they are spilling their guts and handing over e-mails.

Conspiracy

I think this is all just a conspiracy by the NEA, CWA, LWV, Chris Christie, the CFR, Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, Bilderbergers, FreeMasons, and other global agencies of the New World Order to ruin Steve Looneygan and stop him saving American taxpayers from their tyrannical government.

“If you’re unwilling to compete for these votes, and if you’re unable to win these votes, then you’ve got to wonder if you belong on the ballot at all." -- Chris Christie on Steve Lonegan's decision not to attend the Bergen County Republican c

Steve's right

Republicans have been undermined at debates for years by moderators that have had their own agenda. In a debate only between Republicans, I would hope they would get a moderator that actually understands what issues are important to Republicans.

height of absurdity

Sponsorship of a debate involves hanging a banner in the middle of a fricken stage.  That's it.

The questions are asked by journalists. of course they are left wing rabble rousers too but they are the ones asking the questions regardless of the sponsor. Even if the sponsor controlled the questions, which it doesn't. they are just questions. Debates are about answers. Is steve suggesting the sponsor has any influence over what he says?

This is more excellent strategery by Shaftan who apparently could screw up a one car motorcade. Let's antagonize and alienate women voters cause, y'know, we don't need them in November.

FRankly, the Christie camp should be more panicked about whether Chris should wear a red tie or a striped tie tomorrow than it should be about anything that Lonegan's campaign is doing. Lonegan is getting absolutely no traction anywhere and is desperately trying to manufacture an issue. The tenor of his/Shaftan's campaign too date has been nothing short of disgraceful.

The over/under for the Lonegan vote is probably under 20% right now.

steve's right on this one

the country's gone downhill since we allowed women voters.

don't get us started on the negative effects of the wheel and fire :)

Panic

. . . is (1) not showing up at debates and making up lame excuses about how the moderator might be 'biased'; (2) running scared from county conventions - even in those counties where anyone with $10 can vote (so you can't argue that some magical County Chair is forcing people to vote a certain way); and (3) getting out-fundraised at least 2-1 even though you have been campaigning for this job for four years.

Yours, Mr. Shaftan, is a campaign in panic.

By the way, if 'Lispy' Longean is too scared to face a mean, mean (old lady) moderator why do we think he is going to have the backbone to stand up to the 'entrenched' Trenton interests? Hmm?

Oh that's right, Lispy is really only good for lawsuits, cheap stunts, and mind-numbingly boring verbal dissertations on 'the collapse.' Actually facing down a rival and standing on his convictions? Not so much.

Christie and his liberals

Do you Christie people even understand your own liberalism. Saying that Lonegan should not go in front of the league of woman voters does not insult women. Does this group represent all women? Like the NAACP represents all Black Americans, or how about NOW, or the reverse, does Project 21 represent all Black Americans, or Independent Women's forum represent all Women? You leftists in our party are too much to deal with sometimes in your illogic.

This is an organization that works for, votes for, and works to elect DEMOCRATS. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable for a REPUBLICAN to NOT want them to run a debate between two REPUBLICANS. Did any of you see the VEEP debate with the Obama author, how did that one go?!

I am so sorry this is such a difficult concept. But this is just like Obama, if you do not like him you are obviously racist. If you do not want a liberal woman's group to moderate a debate then you are obviously against women voting?! PLEASE!

And as to the name calling, I have told my fellow consevatives on this site to stop making fun of Christie's weight and stop using RINO. It would be nice to see a liberal Republican chastise people making fun of Lonegan's speech patterns. But I guess class is too much to ask for right?

Maybe you can make more insults at the media person on the campaign some more, that appears to be popular. June 3rd is going to be a long day for some people.

Mountaintop

You are the biggest hypocrtie on this board - and that is saying something. You have the nerve to complain that others are attacking Lonegan personally? Have you read anything you have written? Have you read anything Lonegan's supporters have written about Christie and his family? You are a joke. No wonder your the new Skipper of the SS Minnow-Lonegan.

OC

This bored is meant to be somewhat private, but I will tell you who I am not, I am not Rick Shaftan. So stop guessing. I asked people on our side to stop insulting Christie personally, all I asked for is some reciprocity. Silly me for thinking to expect that from the left.

Not everyone who defends Lonegan is Shaftan posting under a different sign on.

And not everybody

who thinks that CC is a poor excuse for human being and the jerks supporting him are worse, is pro SL.

Lonegan: Fighting for conservative values.

Once again we have former Mayor Steve Lonegan fighting for conservative values while Chris Christie, the former one-term freeholder hides from public comment.

While Christie wants to include candidates not registering at least 1% suppport from GOP primary voters to avoid a one on one contest with the former mayor, Lonegan is simply asking that a Republican moderate a Republican primary debate.

Why should Mayor Lonegan absorb the political bias of the LOWV? A political fringe group full of leftists who mask themselves under the guise of objectivity?

Would the Democrats allow a member of the Christian Coalition to moderate a Democratic debate for governor? How about a member of the NRA or Right to Life?

As usual, it is Mayor Lonegan standing tall for conservative values while Christie and his hopelessly left-of-center, be like Corzine campaign figures out a way to keep the "Michelin Man" off the same stage as a true champion of grass roots conservatives poised to upset this embedded country club Republican come june 2nd.

Vote Column "A" - All the way!

Mayor Looneytic

"As usual, it is Mayor Lonegan standing tall for conservative values"

What's all this "Mayor" crap? Is Looneygan still a "Mayor"? Would you address Florio, Byrne, Kean or Whitman as "Governor"?

The only values Looneygan stands tall for is feeding his own massive ego and Rick Shaftan's bank account at taxpayers expense.

“If you’re unwilling to compete for these votes, and if you’re unable to win these votes, then you’ve got to wonder if you belong on the ballot at all." -- Chris Christie on Steve Lonegan's decision not to attend the Bergen County Republican c

The OC

I was getting raked over the coals for defending Lonegan so then
I goated the oc into defending Barney Frank. I mentioned the prostitution ring, and the oc jumped eagerly to his defense.

as far as I'm concerned "the oc" has shown their true liberal colors. You might as well be nancy pelosi attacking Rick Shaftan.

CliffordCase

"What's all this "Mayor" crap? Is Looneygan still a "Mayor"? Would you address Florio, Byrne, Kean or Whitman as "Governor"?"

 Actually yes I would, as should you.  Protocol dictates that you refer to them as their previous title.  I have met former Governor Kean on a number of occasions, and have always been respectful and called him "Governor".  In the same vein, we should call him Mayor Lonegan.  Doesn't matter what you think of him, the man earned his title and deserves to be addressed as such.

Panther, don't bother.

Case has been virtually stalking Mayor Lonegan on this BLOG for months. He hates the guy. He hates his political consultant which makes his views all the more unusal.

How do you hate someone's political advisor?

He doesn't even seem to like Christie, but his hatred for Lonegan is so scary that you wonder why he invests all this time in attacking this man who he's convinced can't win?

If Mayor Lonegan can't win, why doesn't he just ignore him?

Because it's ugly and personal. And to me, a bit scary.

Vote Column "A" - All the way!

Demsanddonts

You nailed it. "Clifford Case" is a phony playing a strange game. And whatever he says - he ain't a Republican. What Republican admits voting for LBJ, calls Ronald Reagan a fraud and says he would vote for Corzine. I've seen that "Wingnut" sobriquet used in only two other places: bloggers at Daily Kos and The Huffington Post. I woud't be surprised if "Clifford Case" is an embittered Old Hippie Chick on Obama's payroll via ACORN.

Liberal Advocacy Groups ...

... should not host Republican debates.  Period.  Can you imagine the Dems permitting Concerned Women for America to host one of their debates?  Would the same folks who commented above contend that they were foregoing the votes of women if the Dems refused that invitation?  How 'bout if Feminists for Life were the moderator?  Heck, the Dems won't even show up when Fox News hosts a debate!!

The League is, as MAYOR (and, yes, that's the appropriate title, and anyone who doesn't know that knows nothing about political etiquette) Lonegan suggests, nothing more than a liberal advocacy group, which has been on the wrong -- i.e. Democratic -- side of every issue for the last 40 years. 

 Let the Chamber, or a group somewhat more conducive to Republican ideas host the event. 

Steve's Right

During the Democratic Presidential Primary season just last year, Dem's refused to debate on Fox News because they claimed Fox to be right wing. Why should the GOP allow a left-wing group to run a GOP debate?

"We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work!"
- FDR's Treasure Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, in 1939, on 8 years of New Deal spending as an attempt to end the Great Depression.

Calling Lonegan "Mayor"

is like calling Ron Paul "Dr. Paul" or "Maverick Murray Sabrin" "Professor Sabrin." It makes the Paultardz and Sabrinistas feel good.

Calling Steve Lonegan "Mayor Lonegan" is a befitting honirific. He was, and should be remembered for, being the mayor of one of the perennially 'last ranked' and crappiest towns in Bergen County. Yay! As Mayor, he did much to stir the pot and challenge McDonald's right to free speech ("Mayor" Lonegan believed that it was his right as Mayor to tell a tax-paying business what language their signs could be in). What else he did no one has any idea and who the eff cares anyway?

I won a cooking competition in 7th grade home ec. therefore, I demand that anyone responding to this post call me "Master Chef BergenRulz."

I also won the wing-eating competition at Chartwells at Rowan College. So, if you don't want to call me 'Master Chelf BergenRulz", you can call me 'Wingmaster Rulz."

In either case, the honorific is ridiculous. Lonegan is a clown, his campaign is a joke, and the most impressive aspect of his candidacy is the fact that his pathetic campaign can make an issue out of nearly ANYTHING, and manage also to come out on the wrong side of even the most benign disputes. Really, really impressive work here guyz, great use of campaign resources.

When we look back on this epic fail of a campaign in five years, we are gonna remember the ridiculous "candidacy" that gave up on trying to win the line after the second convention and then refused to attend a debate moderated by the League of Women Voters as "too controversial."

So what do you call Jim McGreevey?

Governor McGreevey? Senator McGreevey? Mayor McGreevey? How about Governor Senator Mayor McGreevey? And when he gets his theological degree will you call him the Rev. Dr. Governor Senator Mayor McGreevey?

“If you’re unwilling to compete for these votes, and if you’re unable to win these votes, then you’ve got to wonder if you belong on the ballot at all." -- Chris Christie on Steve Lonegan's decision not to attend the Bergen County Republican c

Bergen Rulz

Another serial basher of Mayor Lonegan and the quite delightful town of Bogota, once described as "Anytown, USA."

I guess calling Ron Paul Doctor is just appropriate since according to WIKIPEDIA is a graduate of the Duke University school of Medicine and served as a flight surgeon with the US Air Force.

Yes, I think calling Ron Paul doctor is appropriate given his credentials which dwarf those of his silly detractors here.

As far as protocol Clifford, which you seem to lack any understanding or comprehension, referring to Mr. McGreevey as governor is acceptable as that was the last, and highest office he ever served.

You wouldn't call Bill Clinton Governor Clinton. How hard is that to understand?

Are you clearly this petty and trivial?

It must be sad to be in your shoes. So nasty, negative and hateful in all that you post.

Again, Mr. Sabrin is a professor of finance at Ramapo College and earned his BA & MA from Lehman and a PHD from Rutgers.

What are your academic credentials and who are you to questions these fine men?

How pathetic are you?

Vote Column "A"- All the way!

Don't know much about protocol

"As far as protocol Clifford, which you seem to lack any understanding or comprehension, referring to Mr. McGreevey as governor is acceptable as that was the last, and highest office he ever served."

I admit I don't know anything about protocol. I live in a town twice the size of Bogota and our mayor is the same guy who pumps my gas at the filling station so I just call him "Joe".

“If you’re unwilling to compete for these votes, and if you’re unable to win these votes, then you’ve got to wonder if you belong on the ballot at all." -- Chris Christie on Steve Lonegan's decision not to attend the Bergen County Republican c

You don't much about anything.

You don't know much about GOP primary voters who don't like being dictated too. But someome pretending to be a Republican is a game that's gone on long enough.

When Lonegan begins to move the dial in the next wave of polls with more than sixty days to go, you'll be in the shock of your life unless you believe the conventional wisdom of the liberal left than Lonegan can't win the general.

The easy part is the general. The hard part is now. Something Corzine does not understand.

Vote Column "A" - All the way!

Formaja

Don't flatter yourself sweetheart. If you could read or comprehend a simple sentence, you would be able to understand that I believe Mountaintop is Rick Shaftan - not you. I could care less who you are. You are not that important. The only thing you have done with a goat should be kept in private. As I mentioned and obviously you can not understand, I was not defending Barney Frank. Made that very clear but if you need a pop-up book with moving parts to figure it out, I will get one for you. You brought up the analogy and I merely pointed out that you were comparing apples to oranges as Frank never admitted to the crime you claim he committed. Lonegan ADMIITED to his. Now, crawl back into your bomb shelter and go back to your 24/7 dreaming of Barney Frank and goats.

am...ah....er...OC

I have yet to mention Barney Frank on ANY POST anywhere.  The man is despicable but I have no idea as to what you are referring to above.

Again, confusing different people, as usual.  If you are going to have several arguments at once maybe you should write them down, like most liberals multi tasking is a challenge I guess.

 

"When Lonegan begins to move

"When Lonegan begins to move the dial in the next wave of polls with more than sixty days to go, you'll be in the shock of your life"

The only dial Looneygan will move is on June 3 when he calls the unemployment helpline looking for a new gig.

“If you’re unwilling to compete for these votes, and if you’re unable to win these votes, then you’ve got to wonder if you belong on the ballot at all." -- Chris Christie on Steve Lonegan's decision not to attend the Bergen County Republican c

I am sorry

I am sorry - you are correct - I can't keep up with all of your aliases so forgive me for not knowing the difference between the crap you spew and the crap Panama Jack spews. One in the same if you ask me. I find it funny now that you have become holier than thou that you ridicule everyone else. Do as I say not as I do? I am far from liberal as I have said on past posts. Probably more to the right than you - however as I have stated, I am a realist and I will not back a dead horse just because he is in my stable if I am looking to win. I understand what it takes to get elected and Lonegan does not have it.

As for Panama Jack or whoever you are - you are a joke. I never defended Barney Frank. Merely pointed out once again that you are 100% wrong. But why should I expect you to man up and admit it? Enjoy the sinking ship that is the USS Shaftan-Lonegan. Better get your life vest on Gilligan.

Titles

"is like calling Ron Paul "Dr. Paul" or "Maverick Murray Sabrin" "Professor Sabrin." It makes the Paultardz and Sabrinistas feel good. "

Um, ah, er, Mr Ruiz, someone can correct me if I am wrong, and I am absolutly no fan of the man, but is not Ron Paul called Doctor bacause he is an MD!  If this is the case then he has several more years of education past most of us, myself included, and has earned that title.

Correct title for Chris

Freeholder Christie. You use the highest elected position they had.

A freeholder

I hate to tell you Rick Shaftan aka Mountaintop, but a Freeholder in Morris County represents more people than a mayor in 8,000 resident town named Bogota. So which is more important? And no - you don't use the highest elected position. His title is US Attorney - a US Senate confirmed position. Ever hear people continually referred to as Ambassador? Another embarrassing foot in mouth moment. You are a major reason Lonegan is unelectable.

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Morning News Digest: February 9, 2010

Garden State Equality fires new broadside at Dems Smarting over the state Senate's refusal to pass marriage equality and disillusioned at the moment with the Democratic Party majority, Garden State Equality’s 85-member Board of Directors unanimously decided against giving financial contributions to political parties and their affiliated committees. ...

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A handwritten note left behind during a Senate Budget and Appropriations Committee meeting indicates that Senate Majority Leader Barbara Buono (D-Metuchen) would support a plan to require all current public employees to contribute at least 1.5% of...
As New Jersey braces for another snowstorm, noteworthy is Hamilton Mayor John Bencivengo’s website, where residents can use “Snow Plow Sal” to monitor the movements of snow plows to determine when their street will be plowed.  Hamilton also has...
Just before leaving the Senate Presidency, Richard Codey (D-Roseland) appointed Orange Mayor Eldridge Hawkins to the Congressional Redistricting Commission.  Now his successor, Stephen Sweeney (D-West Deptford) is considering making his own...
Mark Anton, the Chairman of the Suburban Propane Gas Corporation, was a half-term Republican from Essex County who was elected in a 1953 special election after Alfred Clapp, who had mounted an unsuccessful campaign for the GOP gubernatorial election...
Assemblyman Herbert Conaway (D-Delanco) has dropped his bid for Burlington County Democratic Chairman, notifying party leaders by letter this weekend.  That leaves Gary Haman as the leading candidate to replace Alice Furia, who took over last...

Contributors

Everybody needs to start a new job with a list of priorities and Chris Christie is no exception. There might be a thousand things that need to get done... more »
A new Governor and Legislature offer the perfect opportunity to re-think the Trenton status quo and for experienced observers and practitioners to offer their best ideas on improving the... more »
 I grew up in a neighborhood in Newark, New Jersey where gambling was part of every day life.  Many of my relatives gambled.  The guys gambled on games, and... more »
Due to a highly inappropriate breach of etiquette by President Barack Obama in his State of the Union Address, the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision in the Citizens United... more »
When life is bad---natural disasters, families losing homes or jobs, an attack on our country, health crises--people come together and do things that are inspiringly good.  After the... more »
Our new Governor suffers from no lack of advice.  Much of it, contained in the transition reports, deserves prompt attention.  Obviously, economic prosperity benefits everyone, and – as... more »
The agenda has been ambitious.Jobs.  Homeland security.  Iraq.  Afghanistan.  Healthcare.  Energy.  Banking.   Taken together, the Obama Presidency has all the makings of a compelling story -- action, adventure, emotion,... more »
The new regime pushes the only conservative off the Budget Committee.   This is a direct result of pressure from a certain Republican County Chairperson who was hired by Garden... more »
Now that  the dust has finally settled after the grueling campaign for governor, there are a number of lessons that we can draw from this election. First and... more »
A  few years ago, my brother Paul gave me a birthday present of Tim Russert’s book, The Wisdom of Our Fathers. Great book. Read it cover to cover. Or skim... more »
New Jersey's spending and borrowing spree over the past three decades is coming home to roost.  State debt has increased 700% under both Republican and Democratic administrations, and spending... more »
On January 11th New Jersey’s 213th Legislature ended its session, followed the next day by the commencement of the 214th Legislature, with newly elected officials being sworn into office,... more »
On January 6, 2010, several newspapers published articles with titles like “no more aid for struggling cities”, “Christie will cut state aid” and the like; furthermore, in the body... more »
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, you target teachers. That’s not a positive note to start your tenure. You forget that the Teachers’ Union makes decisions on its own, such... more »