The winner of the Christmas Tree Debate of 2007 seems to be Republican Jennifer Beck, who criticized Democratic State Senator Ellen Karcher for taking a farmland tax credit on her 8-acre Marlboro home, where she grows Christmas trees. Despite a serious campaign misstep – Beck’s opposition researcher thought Karcher only grew six trees when it was really six acres of trees – the Asbury Park Press effectively sided with Beck in an editorial that suggested that farmland tax credits should be used for real farmers, not well-off politicians and physicians who dabble as farmers as a way of reducing their property taxes.
Karcher’s problem – perhaps only in New Jersey is this a liability – is that she has set the bar too high when it comes to ethics. As the Marlboro Councilwoman who wore a wiretap and then beat ethically-challenged Co-Senate President John Bennett four years ago, Karcher’s political career is based on ethics reform. So when she cuts her own taxes by selling growing trees, she makes her success story a little less credible.
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Some break
Karcher pays nearly $25 thousand dollars a year in property taxes, the place was a farm when she bought it, and Beck lied about the fact that it's 6 acres not trees. Having a politician who is too ethical rather than one who is a lying Trenton insider will suit the district just fine. By the way, Karcher is all over TV which is what counts in the real world.
tax break
The average property tax in NJ is $6K to $7K per year for less than 1/4 acre. Karcher owns 8 acres and is getting a
35% to 40% tax rebate. I consider that a substantial break.
Asbury Park Press
Just for the record, I hardly consider The Asbury Park Press an objective assessor of state politics: Instead, it is widely known that APP is a mouthpiece for the state Republican Party.
APP almost invariably endorses Republican candidates -- I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they'll endorse Beck over Karcher, even though the latter is much more qualified than the former -- and they feature conservative syndicated columnists over progressive ones by a margin of 3-1. APP, along with its sister newspaper, The Courier Post, are two of the most egregious examples of conservative editorial practices in the state, and Media Matters covers how APP and the Courier Post are two papers that feature conservative columninsts much more than progressive ones.
http://mediamatters.org/reports/oped/newspaper/702
Break? Gimme a break
How is this a break if she bought the property that way? A break would have been if she changed the land to take advantage of the farm program. It was always a farm, she kept it a farm, end of story. I think this will work out for Karcher because all the wealthy Republicans in Monmouth and all the other farmers will be furious that Beck wants to get rid of the farm program. Springsteen has a farm, Bon Jovi has a farm, Republican Grande Dame Judith Stanley Coleman has a farm. Beck ready to take them on too?
Wins the Debate?
So now the Asbury Park Press is the final arbiter of who wins political debates?
This state is going to hell.
Nemo, poor math and reading skills
for someone who swims in schools. The papers reported it's $25k on 1.5 acres. We know that Republicans don't know acres from trees, now we know reading comprehension and math aren't your strong subjects either.
Watch the top spin...
WOW, you dems can spin anything...the Karcher camp is in red alert as her loyalists see a crack in the ethics armor she wears so proudly. Maybe she's not the perfect, defender of good she has conned you all into believing. Put the koolaid down and step away from the keyboard.
you spin me...
"Just for the record, I hardly consider The Asbury Park Press an objective assessor of state politics: Instead, it is widely known that APP is a mouthpiece for the state Republican Party."
says Martin who then links media matters as his credible news source.
Beck Won Because Karcher Made Stuoid Comments
Ellen Karcher made 2 big mistakes on the Christmas tree tax break.
First of all, she blamed her husband for the faiulure to report the tax break. That is offensive to women in particular and to voters generally. The public is far more forgiving of a politican who admits a mistake than they are of someone who tries to weasel out of it by blaming someone else. For a woman to blame her spouse strikes an even more dischordant note.
The second mistake was to invoke Whitman by saying that she [Karcher] is more of a hands-on farmer than Whitman. Whitman won the political fight on her farm 14 years ago by bringing the entire press corps out to the farm to see the crops and livestock and to eat lamb burgers and other products from the farm
Karcher is lucky that Witman seems to be out of state at the moment or I'm sure Whitamn would have challenged Karcher to a hay-baling or cow milking contest at which point Karcher would have been made to look even more foolish.
BP
ditto
8.74 acres if assessed regular taxes = 35K-40K taxes
7.25 Farm land assessed tax rebate -10K-15K
Total taxes due- $25K est.
tax rebate savings= 30-40%
Classes start at 9.00am
And I'm not a republican, I'm a democrat, and I will not support the dems in NJ, because they are far from the democratic ideal.
POHO,
You are absolutely right. Karcher wins in the real world because she is on TV all the time. The fact that she grows trees doesn't diminish that she had to go undercover for the FBI to protect her family and cleanup corruption.
Not so fast
This issue is not over yet, not by a long shot. Karcher is going to have some 'splainin' to do. Stay tuned.
mc peeps
I'm not sure what the intention of that particular "tax break" was, but I know numerous people in Monmouth County who adhere to the requirements to recieve the break. As a result, they grow hay, corn, strawberries, and other crops, albeit in minor scale. Still, by meeting those regulations, they are a)keeping the land from being otherwise subletted or developed, and b) contributing their part to the agricultural economy of central and south jersey, albeit in minor scale. This is NEW JERSEY, and land is an asset. If it weren't for tax breaks like this, you would see those 6 and 8 acre plots of land sectioned off into 10 or 12 new lots for building new houses. Maybe you should live in Monmouth County before you criticize their policies. Or maybe you should suggest high-density developments there...that should win you plenty of votes.
Land in NJ is an asset
perhaps only to the the wealthy land owners,and politicians maybe. The majority of NJ constituents cannot afford 6 to 8 acre parcels of land. Monmouth county is also home to the most powerful land developer Hovnanian, and the county seems to endorse using eminent domain to throw locals out of their homes for the sake of "development" .The "carte Blanche pay to play" policies of Monmouth towards developers is the real threat to locals and over development in monmouth, not the looking into the tax loophole rich land owners (ie polls, judges, lawyers) use to save taxes.
The farmland tax rebate should be used only for real farmers, and for protecting land assets for all in NJ. Gated private mansion properties of the rich and"famous"
IMO does not translate to "for the good of all".
Also, isn't the farmland rebate policy a state policy which concerns all in the state?. the "you don't live in my county so you have nothing to say" is not a reasonable argument.